Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on October 26, 2009, 11:39 pm
wrote:
> > You can always layer up underneath
> > your riding gear once you've solved those problems.
> It's very convenient to size and fit the protective gear to
> fit right in warm weather and add warmth layers on top. Looks
> a bit funny, but it's easier to fit and easier to adjust on
> the road. A bicycle windbreaker warms up a set of one piece
> leathers astonishingly.
> Amen to the heated grips recommendation.
I've got two basic sets of gear. Warm weather mesh
gear with a rainsuit and a Kilimanjaro jacket and
pants with liners.
If I'm wearing the Kilimanjaro jacket in warmer weather
with light clothes and no liner, I figure the extra space
is a plus because it allows more air circulation.
I'd really like to find gear good over a wider range, but
I don't really think it exists. I'll ride in weather ranging
from a little below freezing up to a little over 100 and
I'm not sure there's really a single set of gear that'll
handle that. There's some Rukka gear that looks like
it might, but it's more than a little bit pricey.
Another problem is that when it's down to freezing
gear that'll keep you warm at speed will overheat you
fast when you're at a stop. I figure gear should keep
you warm when you're not moving without counting on
the electrics, but maybe I need to beef up my charging
system and spring for an electric vest to go with the grips.
> bob prohaska
Posted by bob prohaska's usenet account on October 27, 2009, 10:29 pm
> the electrics, but maybe I need to beef up my charging
> system and spring for an electric vest to go with the grips.
>
If your bike allows it, wind deflectors for the handgrips make
relatively low-powered heaters adequate:
http://www.zefox.net/~bob/mc/handheat/handguard/
The more open handguards used on dualsports help a little, but not
nearly as much.
bob
Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on October 28, 2009, 12:00 am
wrote:
> > the electrics, but maybe I need to beef up my charging
> > system and spring for an electric vest to go with the grips.
> If your bike allows it, wind deflectors for the handgrips make
> relatively low-powered heaters adequate:http://www.zefox.net/~bob/mc/handheat/handguard/
> The more open handguards used on dualsports help a little, but not
> nearly as much.
Already got some OK handguards (BMW GS stock).
http://picasaweb.google.com/rob.kleinschmidt/DeathValley09#5353357525667525=
250
Problem is that with a stock 280 watt alternator I'd be pushing
it trying to run a vest and grips both. One thing I want to do is
swap over from a resistive to a PWM heat control on the grips,
but I suspect I really need a 400 watt charging system.
I can dress warmly enough, but really have to watch it or I'll
be sweating when I'm stopped. The morning that picture
was taken, I was really struggling to stay comfortable on
the way over Walker pass to Death Valley
Posted by frijoli on October 28, 2009, 6:32 am
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> wrote:
>>> the electrics, but maybe I need to beef up my charging
>>> system and spring for an electric vest to go with the grips.
>> If your bike allows it, wind deflectors for the handgrips make
>> relatively low-powered heaters
adequate:http://www.zefox.net/~bob/mc/handheat/handguard/
>>
>> The more open handguards used on dualsports help a little, but not
>> nearly as much.
>
> Already got some OK handguards (BMW GS stock).
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rob.kleinschmidt/DeathValley09#5353357525667525250
>
> Problem is that with a stock 280 watt alternator I'd be pushing
> it trying to run a vest and grips both. One thing I want to do is
> swap over from a resistive to a PWM heat control on the grips,
> but I suspect I really need a 400 watt charging system.
>
> I can dress warmly enough, but really have to watch it or I'll
> be sweating when I'm stopped. The morning that picture
> was taken, I was really struggling to stay comfortable on
> the way over Walker pass to Death Valley
>
If you're using a resistive control you're wasting up to 50%
of your current draw.
They are extremely inefficient. You need to upgrade the
controller regardless of what you do to the charging system.
have you done the math? list everything you have powered and
what the draw is and you'll know for sure. 40watts for the
grips, and 120 watts for the jacket, 110 watts for all the
lights. You're still charging your battery using everything
at 100%. Do you have more than this? I bet not.
One thing all bikes have from the factory is a weak link
form the charging system to the battery. You need to run a
single HEAVY gauge wire DIRECTLY from the regulator to the
battery.
Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on October 28, 2009, 11:31 am
> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> > wrote:
> >>> the electrics, but maybe I need to beef up my charging
> >>> system and spring for an electric vest to go with the grips.
> >> If your bike allows it, wind deflectors for the handgrips make
> >> relatively low-powered heaters adequate:http://www.zefox.net/~bob/mc/handheat/handguard/
> >> The more open handguards used on dualsports help a little, but not
> >> nearly as much.
> > Already got some OK handguards (BMW GS stock).
> >http://picasaweb.google.com/rob.kleinschmidt/DeathValley09#5353357525 ...
> > Problem is that with a stock 280 watt alternator I'd be pushing
> > it trying to run a vest and grips both. One thing I want to do is
> > swap over from a resistive to a PWM heat control on the grips,
> > but I suspect I really need a 400 watt charging system.
> > I can dress warmly enough, but really have to watch it or I'll
> > be sweating when I'm stopped. The morning that picture
> > was taken, I was really struggling to stay comfortable on
> > the way over Walker pass to Death Valley
> If you're using a resistive control you're wasting up to 50%
> of your current draw.
> They are extremely inefficient. You need to upgrade the
> controller regardless of what you do to the charging system.
> have you done the math? list everything you have powered and
> what the draw is and you'll know for sure. 40watts for the
> grips, and 120 watts for the jacket, 110 watts for all the
> lights. You're still charging your battery using everything
> at 100%. Do you have more than this? I bet not.
> One thing all bikes have from the factory is a weak link
> form the charging system to the battery. You need to run a
> single HEAVY gauge wire DIRECTLY from the regulator to the
> battery.
Uhhh no, I don't. You're thinking perhaps of a permanent
magnet charging system with a rectifier/regulator combo.
And 280 watts is best case rating.
> > your riding gear once you've solved those problems.
> It's very convenient to size and fit the protective gear to
> fit right in warm weather and add warmth layers on top. Looks
> a bit funny, but it's easier to fit and easier to adjust on
> the road. A bicycle windbreaker warms up a set of one piece
> leathers astonishingly.
> Amen to the heated grips recommendation.