Posted by Broderick Crawford on May 15, 2007, 7:12 pm
Is there a place on a bike that only has power AFTER the engine starts?
I want to change my lights to operate only after the engine starts. I'm
tired of having all the lights on when trying to start it. I think it's
too much drain on the battery. Maybe I can tie the light circuit to the
generator output or on the regulator somewhere.
Posted by Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com on May 15, 2007, 7:57 pm
Broderick Crawford wrote:
>Is there a place on a bike that only has power AFTER the engine starts?
Probably not.
>I want to change my lights to operate only after the engine starts. I'm
>tired of having all the lights on when trying to start it. I think it's
>too much drain on the battery. Maybe I can tie the light circuit to the
>generator output or on the regulator somewhere.
The typical lighting load on a motorcycle is only about 100 watts.
When you crank the engine with the electric starter, that takes about 500
watts, but the voltage drops down about 20%, so the lights are only drawing
80 watts when you're cranking.
That really should cause no problems for a battery that is in good condition.
If you really, really want to turn the headlights off when you're starting
the engine, the simplest way would be to get a heavy duty light switch from
an automotive supply store like Pep Boys and cut the ground wire from the
headlight. Splice two wires from the heavy duty switch into the ground wire.
If you don't want to have to remember to turn a switch on and off, you can
install a headlight relay that automatically shuts the light of when you push
the starter button.
Some Yamahas and Hondas had those relays, but I don't think you would want to
pay the price for Japanese electrical parts.
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Posted by Broderick Crawford on May 15, 2007, 10:04 pm
Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com wrote:
> Broderick Crawford wrote:
>> Is there a place on a bike that only has power AFTER the engine starts?
>
> Probably not.
>
>> I want to change my lights to operate only after the engine starts. I'm
>> tired of having all the lights on when trying to start it. I think it's
>> too much drain on the battery. Maybe I can tie the light circuit to the
>> generator output or on the regulator somewhere.
>
> The typical lighting load on a motorcycle is only about 100 watts.
>
> When you crank the engine with the electric starter, that takes about 500
> watts, but the voltage drops down about 20%, so the lights are only drawing
> 80 watts when you're cranking.
>
> That really should cause no problems for a battery that is in good condition.
>
> If you really, really want to turn the headlights off when you're starting
> the engine, the simplest way would be to get a heavy duty light switch from
> an automotive supply store like Pep Boys and cut the ground wire from the
> headlight. Splice two wires from the heavy duty switch into the ground wire.
>
> If you don't want to have to remember to turn a switch on and off, you can
> install a headlight relay that automatically shuts the light of when you push
> the starter button.
>
> Some Yamahas and Hondas had those relays, but I don't think you would want to
> pay the price for Japanese electrical parts.
>
I guess I can buy a time delay relay for $29.00 and connect it to the
light circuit. A 15 to 30 second delay for the headlights coming on
after turning on the key switch shouldn't hurt anything.
Posted by Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com on May 15, 2007, 10:24 pm
Broderick Crawford wrote:
>I guess I can buy a time delay relay for $29.00 and connect it to the
>light circuit. A 15 to 30 second delay for the headlights coming on
>after turning on the key switch shouldn't hurt anything.
The problem with most electric parts intended for stationary use is that they
won't take the vibration you get from a motorcycle. Even if you mount the
relay in rubber, it will still get jolted by going over bumps and will fail
in a short time.
That's why the switch in the ground wire is the simplest solution. I've done
it to three of my four motorcycles.
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Posted by Rob Kleinschmidt on May 16, 2007, 1:23 pm
wrote:
> The problem with most electric parts intended for stationary use is that they
> won't take the vibration you get from a motorcycle. Even if you mount the
> relay in rubber, it will still get jolted by going over bumps and will fail
> in a short time.
> That's why the switch in the ground wire is the simplest solution. I've done
> it to three of my four motorcycles.
Any relay you added would probably be designed for
automotive use anyway. My bet is the bosch relays
already on my bike probably have 100k mile on them,
a fair amount of it fire roads and trails.
I'm surprised the bike doesn't already have a relay
on the starter circuit. A very reasonable fix would be
a normally closed relay that opens and breaks the
lighting circuit when the starter solenoid is activated.
This assumes some electrical cluefullness of course,
so you can find the right point to hook in the relay.