Posted by Bill Miller. on August 11, 2008, 3:21 am
> > Anyone looking at the stock knobbies on the TW200 can clearly see that
> > they are primarily designed for off-road (non-pavement) use. True or
> > false?
> TW200 was designed as a beach cruiser. If you go to ride the dunes at
> Pismo, you'd want a paddle tire. The knobbie tire is designed to dig into loose soil and find traction below. The height of the knobs depends upon h=
ow deep the loose soil is on top of the hard packed surface below. Radical=
knobbies have widely-spaced knobs that are an inch tall, less radical knob=
bie have lower knobs that are more closely spaced. The relative softness or=
hardness of a knobby depends on just how hard (or deep) the substrate is.
A simple "True" would have been sufficient, especially since I've
already clearly stated the following...."and most (approximately 80%)
of my riding will
be on-road (pavement) ... and the other 20% of "off-road" use will be
very light and easy trails and/or dirt/gravel secondary roads. IOW, I
know what knobbies are designed for but I don't want
'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IOW, I want the bike, but not the tires!
I really don't know how to be any clearer on this.
> > Then when you look at the two tires in the link I provided, anyone can
> > clearly see that the tread on those tires leans more toward on-road
> > (pavement_ use than off-road.
> The more street-oriented tread relies more upon the pavement surface
digging into the rubber and providing traction like a street tire
does.
Okay, that's what I said wasn't it? The tires would be better for
mostly street use.
Posted by The Older Gentleman on August 10, 2008, 5:30 pm
> Anyone looking at the stock knobbies on the TW200 can clearly see that
> they are primarily designed for off-road (non-pavement) use. True or
> false?
Probably true, yes.
>
> Then when you look at the two tires in the link I provided, anyone can
> clearly see that the tread on those tires leans more toward on-road
> (pavement_ use than off-road.
>
> That's all I was saying---that these two tires ...
>
> FRONT:
>
> http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14780/ITEM/Bridgestone-TW203
> -Trail-Wing-Dual-Sport-Front-Tire.aspx
>
> and REAR:
>
> http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14781/ITEM/Bridgestone-TW204
> -Trail-Wing-Dual-Sport-Rear-Tire.aspx
>
> ...are not "superior" to the stock tires but only that they appear to
> have a tread better suited for on-road (pavement) use. True or
> false? Nothing more!
True. But still far from ideal.
>
> And if that's the case, and most (approximately 80%) of my riding will
> be on-road (pavement) then why wouldn't I replace the stock tires with
> these? No need to carry this discussion into any other areas. It's a
> rather simple selection...pick choice A (stock tires) or choice B (the
> tires shown in the links) for a bike that going to be driven on-road
> (pavement) at least 80% of the time and the other 20% of "off-road"
> use will be very light and easy trails and/or dirt/gravel secondary
> roads.
>
> If you truly think, based solely upon the planned uses I've described
> for my particular situation, that this idea has no merit, then please
> give me the facts and data to refute what I've just said regarding
> these two choices of tires. No generalizations needed about this or
> that but please just pick choice A or choice B and W-H-Y. Thank you.
No, fair enough. But still far from ideal.
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Posted by Bill Miller. on August 11, 2008, 3:35 am
On Aug 10, 2:30 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> > Anyone looking at the stock knobbies on the TW200 can clearly see that
> > they are primarily designed for off-road (non-pavement) use. True or
> > false?
> Probably true, yes.
Yes = true, not "probably true." And when you have a clear black and
white choice as presented there is no room for "probably," only true
or false. And if you say false, you are clearly and absolutely
refuting the following statement. "Anyone looking at the stock
knobbies on the TW200 can clearly see that they are primarily designed
for off-road (non-pavement) use." Therefore, by saying false or
"probably" you are essentially stating that knobbies are not PRIMARILY
designed for off-road use. Ergo, the only possible answer is T-R-U-E
without any qualifications. Yet my Uncle Jay has told me how dificult
it is for you to ever agree totally with someone or to agree to a
statement that is true that someone else, and not you, came up with,
so I understand.
> > Then when you look at the two tires in the link I provided, anyone can
clearly see that the tread on those tires leans more toward on-road
(pavement_ use than off-road. That's all I was saying---that these
two tires ...
> > FRONT:
> >http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14780/ITEM/Bridgestone- ...
> > -Trail-Wing-Dual-Sport-Front-Tire.aspx
> > and REAR:
> >http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14781/ITEM/Bridgestone- ...
> > -Trail-Wing-Dual-Sport-Rear-Tire.aspx
> > ...are not "superior" to the stock tires but only that they appear to
> > have a tread better suited for on-road (pavement) use. True or
> > false? Nothing more!
> True. But still far from ideal.
And I previously clearly stated that I knew the change would not be
"ideal" as per my earlier statement ...Except for the fact that the
tires I linked to would be "more friendly" on the highway than the
straight knobbies of the stock TW200
and still remain somewhat friendly to off-road use. I was talking
about degrees of road riding improvement, not nirvana.
> > And if that's the case, and most (approximately 80%) of my riding will
> > be on-road (pavement) then why wouldn't I replace the stock tires with
> > these? No need to carry this discussion into any other areas. It's a
> > rather simple selection...pick choice A (stock tires) or choice B (the
> > tires shown in the links) for a bike that going to be driven on-road
> > (pavement) at least 80% of the time and the other 20% of "off-road"
> > use will be very light and easy trails and/or dirt/gravel secondary
> > roads.
> > If you truly think, based solely upon the planned uses I've described
> > for my particular situation, that this idea has no merit, then please
> > give me the facts and data to refute what I've just said regarding
> > these two choices of tires. No generalizations needed about this or
> > that but please just pick choice A or choice B and W-H-Y. Thank you.
> No, fair enough. But still far from ideal.
And we still have been in agreement from the beginning of the thread
that "ideal" was not an option in this matter.
Posted by The Older Gentleman on August 11, 2008, 3:51 am
> "Anyone looking at the stock
> knobbies on the TW200 can clearly see that they are primarily designed
> for off-road (non-pavement) use." Therefore, by saying false or
> "probably" you are essentially stating that knobbies are not PRIMARILY
> designed for off-road use. Ergo, the only possible answer is T-R-U-E
> without any qualifications.
Wrong. You see, we do not know what was going on in the design team's
mind, do we?
Had you asked: "more suitable for off-road than on-road use" I'd have
agreed.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."
Posted by Bill Miller. on August 11, 2008, 4:53 pm
On Aug 11, 12:51 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
knobbies on the TW200 can clearly see that they are primarily
designed for off-road (non-pavement) use." Therefore, by saying false
or "probably" you are essentially stating that knobbies are not
PRIMARILY designed for off-road use. Ergo, the only possible answer
is T-R-U-E without any qualifications.
> Wrong. You see, we do not know what was going on in the design team's
> mind, do we?
No, you are wrong. You see, what was going on in the design team's
mind is absolutely and totally irrelevant to the statement that
"kmobbies are primarily designed for off-road use." Anyone, except
those who just like to argue for argue's sake, can clearly see that
statement is true, without exception. I mean, how many "cruisers"
have you seen that come with knobbies from the factory? DUH.....
> Had you asked: "more suitable for off-road than on-road use" I'd have agreed
OMG. you like to argue so much that you totally disregard common sense
and common language. "Primarily designed for off-road use" and "more
suitable for off-road use" have exactly the same meaning to anyone
whose agenda is not just to be an argumentative old grouch. My Uncle
Jay was right, you definitely are someone who's useless in the
information department since all you like to do is argue about
anything you don't bring up yourself. I have no need for anything
more you'd have to say so feel free to wander off somewhere else and
annoy other people.
Bill
> > they are primarily designed for off-road (non-pavement) use. True or
> > false?
> TW200 was designed as a beach cruiser. If you go to ride the dunes at
> Pismo, you'd want a paddle tire. The knobbie tire is designed to dig into loose soil and find traction below. The height of the knobs depends upon h=