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Yamaha xt 500 smoking issue motoboi 10-11-2007
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Posted by motoboi on October 11, 2007, 9:30 pm

Hey guys i posted a add over the summer about the honda cl350 jetting
issue.
thanks to some of your guys input it is running great. Now i have a
Yamaha xt500
i picked up this summer for 50 bucks , what a steal right it was a
little bit
better than a basket case . The biggest issue was that it was missing
a SWING
ARM. Any way i took the motor down becuase?the top end?was slightly
frozen .?I
purchase a used cylinder from ebay and i got a used piston with rings
from a
buddy of mine who had a Yamaha sr500 and had the pison as a spare .?I
put the
thing back together and started it and it started blowing white smoke
immidiately. That was about a week ago and it is smoking a little less
if not
the same, it smokes just like a two stroke if not more. i asked my
buddy what
was the status on the motor that the piston came out of and he said it
ran
perfect so i am looking for any advice on what the problem?might be?
and how i
would go about fixing it. any input is welcome.? THANX.


Posted by IRONDOG on October 11, 2007, 10:53 pm


motoboi wrote:
> Hey guys i posted a add over the summer about the honda cl350 jetting
> issue.
> thanks to some of your guys input it is running great. Now i have a
> Yamaha xt500
> i picked up this summer for 50 bucks , what a steal right it was a
> little bit
> better than a basket case . The biggest issue was that it was missing
> a SWING
> ARM. Any way i took the motor down becuase?the top end?was slightly
> frozen .?I
> purchase a used cylinder from ebay and i got a used piston with rings
> from a
> buddy of mine who had a Yamaha sr500 and had the pison as a spare .?I
> put the
> thing back together and started it and it started blowing white smoke
> immidiately. That was about a week ago and it is smoking a little less
> if not
> the same, it smokes just like a two stroke if not more. i asked my
> buddy what
> was the status on the motor that the piston came out of and he said it
> ran
> perfect so i am looking for any advice on what the problem?might be?
> and how i
> would go about fixing it. any input is welcome.? THANX.

You bought a used cylinder from one bike and a used piston and rings
from another and assembled them- that is your problem. Did you re-use
the gaskets, too?
Take either of the two cylinders you have to a motorcycle shop and
tell the hopefully competent person there that you want the cylinder
fixed right- either hone for new rings if the cylinder is reasonably
within spec or bore to oversize if needed. A job worth doing is worth
doing right.



Posted by motoboi on October 12, 2007, 11:20 am
> motoboi wrote:
> > Hey guys i posted a add over the summer about the honda cl350 jetting
> > issue.
> > thanks to some of your guys input it is running great. Now i have a
> > Yamaha xt500
> > i picked up this summer for 50 bucks , what a steal right it was a
> > little bit
> > better than a basket case . The biggest issue was that it was missing
> > a SWING
> > ARM. Any way i took the motor down becuase?the top end?was slightly
> > frozen .?I
> > purchase a used cylinder from ebay and i got a used piston with rings
> > from a
> > buddy of mine who had a Yamaha sr500 and had the pison as a spare .?I
> > put the
> > thing back together and started it and it started blowing white smoke
> > immidiately. That was about a week ago and it is smoking a little less
> > if not
> > the same, it smokes just like a two stroke if not more. i asked my
> > buddy what
> > was the status on the motor that the piston came out of and he said it
> > ran
> > perfect so i am looking for any advice on what the problem?might be?
> > and how i
> > would go about fixing it. any input is welcome.? THANX.
>
> You bought a used cylinder from one bike and a used piston and rings
> from another and assembled them- that is your problem. Did you re-use
> the gaskets, too?
> Take either of the two cylinders you have to a motorcycle shop and
> tell the hopefully competent person there that you want the cylinder
> fixed right- either hone for new rings if the cylinder is reasonably
> within spec or bore to oversize if needed. A job worth doing is worth
> doing right.

Hey, Irondog before you bash me any more let me explain, the cylinder
i bought from ebay was already honed, the only thing that i neglected
to do that was stupid on my part was to check the ring end gap and to
check bore to see if it was oversize. Knowing that the bore was
already honed , chances are that the cylinder was oversized and then
honed or the seller i bought the cylinder from was considerate and
honed the cylinder before he sent it to me.


Posted by Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com on October 12, 2007, 1:18 pm
motoboi wrote:

>Hey, Irondog before you bash me any more let me explain, the cylinder
>i bought from ebay was already honed, the only thing that i neglected
>to do that was stupid on my part was to check the ring end gap and to
>check bore to see if it was oversize. Knowing that the bore was
>already honed , chances are that the cylinder was oversized and then
>honed or the seller i bought the cylinder from was considerate and
>honed the cylinder before he sent it to me.

Honing isn't done just to roughen the cylinder wall so new rings will break
in, it's
also a final adjustment to overbore size.

It's impossible to know for sure what size the cylinder bore is without
miking it.

Standard bore was 87.00 mm with four oversized pistons 0.25 mm apart.

Yamaha probably stamped the OS pistons with numbers like .25, .5, ,75 and 1.0
on top.

http://www.siue.edu/~rsutton/SR/78-79.htm#Cylinder
http://www.siue.edu/~rsutton/SR/80-81.htm#Piston

http://members.tripod.com/ljthomp/techspec.htm#XT500%20Engine
Cylinder bore/piston clearance 0.050 - 0.055 mm (0.002 to 0.0022 in.)
Wear limit 0.1 mm
Piston Oversizes
1st oversize 87.25 mm
2nd oversize 87.50 mm
3rd oversize 87.75 mm
4th oversize 88.00 mm

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Posted by Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com on October 12, 2007, 5:59 am
motoboi wrote:
>I put the thing back together and started it and it started blowing white smoke
>immidiately. That was about a week ago and it is smoking a little less
>if not
>the same, it smokes just like a two stroke if not more.

Continuous smoking indicates problems with the oil control ring. Smoking that
stops after a few minutes indicates valve guide oil seal problems.

Excessive piston to cylinder wall clearance may be a problem when the piston
rocks so much the oil rings can't seal.

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