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ignition trouble please help!!! Thomas-ex500 06-29-2008
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Posted by Thomas-ex500 via MotorcycleKB. on June 30, 2008, 1:30 am
wrote:
>wrote:
>
>> �just out of curiosity though how would i go about testing some of the other
>> thing's either with bike running or off
>>
>> �1. the oil sending unit?
>
>It's probably just a pressure switch that is closed when there is no
>oil pressure.
>You should get zero ohms, or a very low reading when you check from
>the terminal to the engine, when the engine isn't running. When you
>start the engine, the ohmmeter reading should be infinity.
>
>> �2. the radiator sensor on the left side of the radiator?
>
>If the sensor is for a temperature gauge, the resistance will change
>as the coolant temperature changes. If the sensor is actually a
>thermal switch, you would have to
>run the engine until the coolant gets very hot, and then your ohmmeter
>would read zero, or a very small reading when the switch contacts
>closed.
>
>> �3.the radiator fan?
>
>It probably gets power from a fan relay which is controlled by a
>thermal switch, as mentioned above.
>
>You can probably get the fan to run by turning the ignition switch on
>and grounding the thermal switch lead to the engine.


Thank's i will try these solution's in a few day's and get back to you all
with the results as soon as possible!!!

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Posted by Thomas-ex500 via MotorcycleKB. on July 1, 2008, 10:09 pm
Thomas-ex500 wrote:
>>wrote:
>[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>>You can probably get the fan to run by turning the ignition switch on
>>and grounding the thermal switch lead to the engine.
>
> Thank's i will try these solution's in a few day's and get back to you all
>with the results as soon as possible!!!


OK, i tried them solution's (kind of ! ) lol... i used a light tester instead
of a voltmeter and at first i didn't get any responce from it so i cranked
the bike up and held the throttle a lil above normal to keep the rpm's up and
waited for the temp gauge to rise roughly halfway then i just kept an eye on
the fan and it did kick on to do it's job...

Now the last and only problem is the clutch not disengauging (while in gear)
with the lever pulled all the way in???

Anyone have any solution's? if you need me to further describe this symptom
please ask and i'll be sure to reply!

a couple people (kawasaki dealer and some mechanics) have told me cause it's
been sitting and laying in the dirt for 10 year's the clutch plates are stuck
together, that i should just get it to a rideable condition and ride it, then
when i get to about 3rd gear hold the clutch lever in and jam on the brakes
causing the trans to be under a heavier load and that could possible break it
loose...

To me this solution doesn't sound to safe! being it's not in a rideable
condition (no battery and no handlebar's) and it's sitting on block's, i'm
going to try a block of wood across the rear swingarm through the tri-star
rim and just jam it into gear and whack the throttle which leaves me with 1
of 4 solutions...
1. either snap the 2x4 in half
2. stall the bike
3. bend the rim
4. or surprise me again and break free

Let me know what you all think besides taking the clutch completely apart
and replacing the plates...
last but not least (i'm sure) after running the bike i also noticed a white
substance in the oil window and we all know what that means, (that there is
water in the oil) which totally baffles me also cause the engine hasn't been
compromised in anyway, shape, or form... i've heard to constantly check the
radiator water level to see if i'm loosing any (cause it cycles through the
engine) or it's simply condensation from laying on the ground with temp
changes for so many year's...

Let me know your ideas/hint's/tip's again THANK'S in advance!!!

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Posted by . on July 2, 2008, 12:13 am
wrote:

> =EF=BF=BDNow the last and only problem is the clutch not disengauging (whi=
le in gear)
> with the lever pulled all the way in???

Adjust all the free play out of the clutch cable at the clutch lever
end, put the bike into gear, pull the clutch lever, and push the
motorcycle *backwards* several feet.

The engine doesn't have to be running to break the clutch plates free.

When you're done, re-adjust the clutch cable to get a little free
play.

> last but not least (i'm sure) after running the bike i also noticed a whit=
e
> substance in the oil window and we all know what that means, (that there i=
s
> water in the oil) which totally baffles me also cause the engine hasn't be=
en
> compromised in anyway, shape, or form...

Maybe some coolant wept past the water pump seal. Change the oil and
watch for more evidence of coolant in the oil.

Posted by Thomas-ex500 via MotorcycleKB. on July 2, 2008, 4:06 pm
wrote:
>wrote:
>
>> �Now the last and only problem is the clutch not disengauging (while in
gear)
>> with the lever pulled all the way in???
>
>Adjust all the free play out of the clutch cable at the clutch lever
>end, put the bike into gear, pull the clutch lever, and push the
>motorcycle *backwards* several feet.
>
>The engine doesn't have to be running to break the clutch plates free.
>
>When you're done, re-adjust the clutch cable to get a little free
>play.
>
>> last but not least (i'm sure) after running the bike i also noticed a white
>> substance in the oil window and we all know what that means, (that there is
>> water in the oil) which totally baffles me also cause the engine hasn't been
>> compromised in anyway, shape, or form...
>
>Maybe some coolant wept past the water pump seal. Change the oil and
>watch for more evidence of coolant in the oil.


Thank you, Thank you!!!
what i did since the bike is on block's was start it up, pull the clutch
lever in, slipped it into first gear and gave it a lil gas, i can't tell you
exactly what RPM i was at cause for some reason the needle has been floating
up and down, then i just jammed on the back brake with the lever in and that
did the trick, hence the rear tire wasn't spinning anymore...

This also narrows down that the moron i let ride the bike (and crashed it)
obviously didn't know how to ride since there is nothing wrong with it
internally... i figured maybe something had happened with the clutch or
otherwise internally with the engine since the clutch was locked up and that
he may had panicked and that's why he crashed but everything is running
smoothly...
tomorrow i'll readjust the cable so there is a lil play cause adjusting it
all the way in was the first thing i did... top and bottom...

today just out of curiosity and since i had it on block's again i removed
the kick stand to further investigate the switch there i cleaned it with carb
and choke cleaner and re clipped the connectors to it then cranked the bike
over and it started with the stand up and down so i'm not sure if the switch
is working or not, i even tried it in neutral then in gear the bike started
either way's... i though it was a safety/kill...

As for the oil, i'll have to do as you suggested and just change it again
even though it's brand new oil, i don't know how i'm going to get the white
substance off the case window without removing the case and physically
whiping it, cause i've already tried to lean the bike and let the fluids was
it off but that didn't work...

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Posted by The Older Gentleman on July 2, 2008, 4:33 pm

> i don't know how i'm going to get the white
> substance off the case window without removing the case and physically
> whiping it, cause i've already tried to lean the bike and let the fluids was
> it off but that didn't work...

Jesus. Just ignore it.

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