Posted by dsc-ky on February 4, 2010, 3:49 pm
> > It's clear to me that abs has
> > the potential to cause several wrecks every time it snows. It takes
> > much longer to stop... if it stops at all in some really slick low/
> > medium speed situations (especially downhill).
> Yup - been there, done that - ABS makes stopping all but impossible on
> ice. I hit my brakes in an icy parking lot at a ski area two years
> ago. Fully locked up would've stopped the truck in 100 feet.
> Instead, my Tundra ABSed itself 1000 feet across the parking lot,
> through a stop sign, across a street, down an embankment, across a
> stream, and into a group of trees. I might've slowed down 5MPH the
> entire time. The kids thought it was hilarious. Took a backhoe to
> get me out, and I still have the crunched front end.
> JayC
I'd like to see the youtube of that... :)
Posted by XR650L_Dave on February 4, 2010, 7:39 pm
> > It's clear to me that abs has
> > the potential to cause several wrecks every time it snows. It takes
> > much longer to stop... if it stops at all in some really slick low/
> > medium speed situations (especially downhill).
> Yup - been there, done that - ABS makes stopping all but impossible on
> ice. I hit my brakes in an icy parking lot at a ski area two years
> ago. Fully locked up would've stopped the truck in 100 feet.
> Instead, my Tundra ABSed itself 1000 feet across the parking lot,
> through a stop sign, across a street, down an embankment, across a
> stream, and into a group of trees. I might've slowed down 5MPH the
> entire time. The kids thought it was hilarious. Took a backhoe to
> get me out, and I still have the crunched front end.
> JayC
If you had turned the key off you'd have stopped in that 100ft.
Dave
Posted by dsc-ky on February 4, 2010, 3:50 pm
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:50:46 -0800 (PST), dsc-ky
> >> > XR650L_Dave points out:
> >> > > > > Did you hear the recently released 911 call from the father of a family
> >> > > > > of 4 as their car hit the end of the freeway at 120 mph?
> >> > > Mostly, but not completely true.
> >> > > My subaru, the brakes will fight the engine to a draw and get the car
> >> > > down to 30 or 40 or so, but if I kept at it the brakes would overheat
> >> > > and I'd lose 'em.
> >> >http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended ...
> >> > Strong foot, the instant you realize the throttle is WFO, is still my
> >> > plan. Flicking the beast into neutral is a good idea too but I'm not
> >> > convinced I want to take my hands off the bars while doing
> >> > this manuever.
> >> > As for the 911 call, yep, sounds like he overheated the brakes,
> >> > then decided best bet was to call for help. His cop training
> >> > I guess.
> >> > Rereading that, it's pretty harsh. But man, the call is 48 seconds
> >> > (that I found online), probably another 15 to dial and be connected,
> >> > go through the possibilities. Brakes, blew that. Switch it off,
> >> > forgot.
> >> > Trans to neutral, forgot. Trans to anything, even reverse, forgot.
> >> > Emergency brake, blew that. Find something soft to hit. Call the
> >> > cops. He skipped a few steps.
> >> > Go fast. Take chances.
> >> > Mike S.
> >> Slamming on the brakes 100% will certainly take the edge off the
> >> situation and allow time for other actions, and I'd have to think
> >> about buying a car without a damn key.
> >> I've been in a car where the throttle locked on full- friend in a
> >> pickup truck, I'm in the pass seat, he nailed the gas and it stuck, he
> >> goes 'Oh shit, what do I do'? I calmly replied 'Turn the key off'.
> >> Went through 3 iterations of this before I leaned over and turned off
> >> the key. It was only a 6 cyl, so there was time to see how he'd handle
> >> it. If it had been a V8, if he had time to ask what to do I would have
> >> already been at the key.
> >> It was a manual shift so he didn't even lose the power steering.
> >> I think the reliability of the modern car has dulled peoples ability
> >> to deal with a piece of equipment that does the unexpected, that dares
> >> to disobey.
> >> I've already become accustomed to turning off the key when the ABS
> >> betrays me and won't let me stop going downhill, the kind of
> >> conditions where if you can lock up the brakes, the tires cut through
> >> the snow/slush in a split second, but the ABS decides the right thing
> >> to do is just coast off into the sunset- or a creek.
> >> It's that characteristic of ABS that leads serious off-roaders to
> >> disable it while off-road, after a few went down slippery slopes and
> >> the ABS almost killed 'em.
> >> Dave- Hide quoted text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >On earlier models the abs was locked out if you put the vehicle in
> >4wd... I wish they didn't drop that idea.
> >I was playing with my abs the other day in the snow just to confirm
> >that it does infact work in 4wd (and it does). On the right hill, if
> >the abs engages... you may not stop... unless you can let up enough
> >to get it disengaged and still stop. It's clear to me that abs has
> >the potential to cause several wrecks every time it snows. It takes
> >much longer to stop... if it stops at all in some really slick low/
> >medium speed situations (especially downhill).
> Simple fix. Remove the ABS fuse and wire in a switch.
> Mike Baxter- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Replace it with a blown fuse... might limit your liability if you have
an accident with the ABS disabled. :)
Posted by The Real Bev on February 4, 2010, 10:46 pm
On 02/04/2010 12:50 PM, dsc-ky wrote:
>> Simple fix. Remove the ABS fuse and wire in a switch.
> Replace it with a blown fuse... might limit your liability if you have
> an accident with the ABS disabled. :)
Excellent!
--
Cheers, Bev
Far away in a strange land
Posted by I am Tosk on February 4, 2010, 6:57 pm
mgb***@comcast.net says...
>
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:50:46 -0800 (PST), dsc-ky
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > XR650L_Dave points out:
> >>
> >> > > > > Did you hear the recently released 911 call from the father of a
family
> >> > > > > of 4 as their car hit the end of the freeway at 120 mph?
> >> > > Mostly, but not completely true.
> >>
> >> > > My subaru, the brakes will fight the engine to a draw and get the car
> >> > > down to 30 or 40 or so, but if I kept at it the brakes would overheat
> >> > > and I'd lose 'em.
> >>
> >> >http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended ...
> >>
> >> > Strong foot, the instant you realize the throttle is WFO, is still my
> >> > plan. Flicking the beast into neutral is a good idea too but I'm not
> >> > convinced I want to take my hands off the bars while doing
> >> > this manuever.
> >>
> >> > As for the 911 call, yep, sounds like he overheated the brakes,
> >> > then decided best bet was to call for help. His cop training
> >> > I guess.
> >>
> >> > Rereading that, it's pretty harsh. But man, the call is 48 seconds
> >> > (that I found online), probably another 15 to dial and be connected,
> >> > go through the possibilities. Brakes, blew that. Switch it off,
> >> > forgot.
> >> > Trans to neutral, forgot. Trans to anything, even reverse, forgot.
> >> > Emergency brake, blew that. Find something soft to hit. Call the
> >> > cops. He skipped a few steps.
> >>
> >> > Go fast. Take chances.
> >> > Mike S.
> >>
> >> Slamming on the brakes 100% will certainly take the edge off the
> >> situation and allow time for other actions, and I'd have to think
> >> about buying a car without a damn key.
> >>
> >> I've been in a car where the throttle locked on full- friend in a
> >> pickup truck, I'm in the pass seat, he nailed the gas and it stuck, he
> >> goes 'Oh shit, what do I do'? I calmly replied 'Turn the key off'.
> >> Went through 3 iterations of this before I leaned over and turned off
> >> the key. It was only a 6 cyl, so there was time to see how he'd handle
> >> it. If it had been a V8, if he had time to ask what to do I would have
> >> already been at the key.
> >>
> >> It was a manual shift so he didn't even lose the power steering.
> >>
> >> I think the reliability of the modern car has dulled peoples ability
> >> to deal with a piece of equipment that does the unexpected, that dares
> >> to disobey.
> >>
> >> I've already become accustomed to turning off the key when the ABS
> >> betrays me and won't let me stop going downhill, the kind of
> >> conditions where if you can lock up the brakes, the tires cut through
> >> the snow/slush in a split second, but the ABS decides the right thing
> >> to do is just coast off into the sunset- or a creek.
> >> It's that characteristic of ABS that leads serious off-roaders to
> >> disable it while off-road, after a few went down slippery slopes and
> >> the ABS almost killed 'em.
> >>
> >> Dave- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> >On earlier models the abs was locked out if you put the vehicle in
> >4wd... I wish they didn't drop that idea.
> >I was playing with my abs the other day in the snow just to confirm
> >that it does infact work in 4wd (and it does). On the right hill, if
> >the abs engages... you may not stop... unless you can let up enough
> >to get it disengaged and still stop. It's clear to me that abs has
> >the potential to cause several wrecks every time it snows. It takes
> >much longer to stop... if it stops at all in some really slick low/
> >medium speed situations (especially downhill).
>
>
> Simple fix. Remove the ABS fuse and wire in a switch.
>
> Mike Baxter
I assume on more expensive cars that might set off all kinds of bells
and whistle, some might even disable the whole system.
RMR
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> > the potential to cause several wrecks every time it snows. It takes
> > much longer to stop... if it stops at all in some really slick low/
> > medium speed situations (especially downhill).
> Yup - been there, done that - ABS makes stopping all but impossible on
> ice. I hit my brakes in an icy parking lot at a ski area two years
> ago. Fully locked up would've stopped the truck in 100 feet.
> Instead, my Tundra ABSed itself 1000 feet across the parking lot,
> through a stop sign, across a street, down an embankment, across a
> stream, and into a group of trees. I might've slowed down 5MPH the
> entire time. The kids thought it was hilarious. Took a backhoe to
> get me out, and I still have the crunched front end.
> JayC