Posted by Mike W. on December 8, 2009, 1:40 pm
Nothing more than a thought experiment... I don't have a position, yet.
Premise: You don't pick your passions.. they pick you. You can decide, for
example, that you will become passionate about playing the cello, but you
can't make it happen just by declaring it.
If whatever passion taps you on the shoulder happens to carry an "above
average" risk of serious injury, I'm wondering how much others factor loved
ones into their decision to pursue that passion. Suppose endorphin-laced
optimistic thinking leads most to believe it won't happen to them. But, if
you were the sort who values not hurting loved ones unnecessarily (i.e. you
define who you are as responsible), and you had accurate data that a
serious injury (or worse) to you would make loved ones feel very, very
badly.. what are your thoughts on how these competing interests would be
balanced in forming your decision to pursue or not pursue that passion?
Mike
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Mike W.
96 XR400
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
99 KZ1000P (training)
99 KZ1000P (rider)
00 Beta Rev-3
Posted by Joe Rooney on December 8, 2009, 2:16 pm
> Nothing more than a thought experiment... I don't have a position, yet.
> Premise: You don't pick your passions.. they pick you. You can decide, for
> example, that you will become passionate about playing the cello, but you
> can't make it happen just by declaring it.
> If whatever passion taps you on the shoulder happens to carry an "above
> average" risk of serious injury, I'm wondering how much others factor
loved
> ones into their decision to pursue that passion. Suppose endorphin-laced
> optimistic thinking leads most to believe it won't happen to them. But, if
> you were the sort who values not hurting loved ones unnecessarily (i.e.
you
> define who you are as responsible), and you had accurate data that a
> serious injury (or worse) to you would make loved ones feel very, very
> badly.. what are your thoughts on how these competing interests would be
> balanced in forming your decision to pursue or not pursue that passion?
> Mike
> --
> Mike W.
> 96 XR400
> 70 CT70
> 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
> 99 KZ1000P (training)
> 99 KZ1000P (rider)
> 00 Beta Rev-3
Hurting a loved one by your absense due to 1. extra time for the avocation,
2. extra time in the hospital?
I didn't want to hurt my newlywed wife buying that Tornado in Orlando and
launching my Olympic sailing career.
My late ex-wife had her horses.
Joe
XL600R
Posted by Tiago on December 8, 2009, 2:21 pm
Hi Mike! How you doing lately? Hope everything is ok with you &
yours.
> Nothing more than a thought experiment... I don't have a position, yet.
What I do when faced with these problems is thinking along these
lines:
-> If I embrace my passion, in what degree I might hurt the ones I
love?
-> If I don't embrace my passion, how depressed, sad and grumpy I'll
become?
-> Will my loved ones understand it and support my passion so I can be
an overall nicer person, directly improving their life? Or they will
let me dry and die, like an abandoned flower pot? Will I really dry
and die or can I get "water" from elsewere and make everyone happy?
In the end, I only have two dogs to really support - even that is not
real really, I could give them away or <gasp> sacrifice them without
much further trouble - so I mostly do what I please... :-) sorry, I'm
not much of help in these regards. If you talking family I guess every
side has to give a little, that's what makes relationships great; it
is a delicate and complicate subject all on itself. If not, screw it.
Work, clubs, whatever you're in that isn't your direct family doesn't
deserve to be a single half milimeter above you. You first, the others
later. You are a frequent flier, if you lose one hair wire every time
you heard "put the mask on you first, then help the others" you'd be
bald, but there is wisdom on this phrase beyond the need to breath at
30k ft high...
keep the rubber side down!
-- T
Posted by HardWorkingDog on December 8, 2009, 2:52 pm
In article
> "put the mask on you first, then help the others" ... there is wisdom
> on this phrase beyond the need to breath at
> 30k ft high...
Wow. That is something to savor...
--
Charles
'99 YZ250
Posted by Mike W. on December 8, 2009, 3:48 pm
wrote:
>Hi Mike! How you doing lately? Hope everything is ok with you &
>yours.
Doing very well now Tiago... thanks. Pain-free for about a week but unable
to remember where I left my muscles:)
>> Nothing more than a thought experiment... I don't have a position, yet.
>What I do when faced with these problems is thinking along these
>lines:
>-> If I embrace my passion, in what degree I might hurt the ones I
>love?
For the purposes of the discussion, make the assumption we're talking a
near guarantee of injury if you do it long enough and a full guarantee
you'll hurt them a lot.
>-> If I don't embrace my passion, how depressed, sad and grumpy I'll
>become?
Assume you are a grumpy asshole 100% of the time, so any increase will not
be noticed.
There are no wrong answers (thought exercise)... it sounds like you are
approaching the problem by considering the "cost" to you in addition to the
payoff to you. If that is the case, should we also factor in the payoff to
them? Just trying to be a good economist:)
>-> Will my loved ones understand it and support my passion so I can be
>an overall nicer person, directly improving their life? Or they will
>let me dry and die, like an abandoned flower pot? Will I really dry
>and die or can I get "water" from elsewere and make everyone happy?
Is becoming "less nice" guaranteed? Assume their POV is that they want you
to pursue that passion, but then... is what they support or want for YOU
more important than what you want for them? I'm not convinced a life long
passion is replaceable, but I'm convinced other lesser ones will form in
the absence of practicing it.
>In the end, I only have two dogs to really support - even that is not
>real really, I could give them away or <gasp> sacrifice them without
>much further trouble - so I mostly do what I please... :-) sorry, I'm
>not much of help in these regards.
Actually, you are.. the additional questions raised by a different POV
definitely contribute.
> If you talking family I guess every
>side has to give a little, that's what makes relationships great; it
>is a delicate and complicate subject all on itself. If not, screw it.
I've found the practical application of this very complex.
>Work, clubs, whatever you're in that isn't your direct family doesn't
>deserve to be a single half milimeter above you. You first, the others
>later.
Agreed... now.
>You are a frequent flier, if you lose one hair wire every time
>you heard "put the mask on you first, then help the others" you'd be
>bald, but there is wisdom on this phrase beyond the need to breath at
>30k ft high...
What is it they say in Rio? "Your soul is rich with the wisdom of a true
Argentinean heart"? :)
>keep the rubber side down!
That's what the card on the flowers said.
Mike
>-- T
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
99 KZ1000P (training)
99 KZ1000P (rider)
00 Beta Rev-3
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> Premise: You don't pick your passions.. they pick you. You can decide, for
> example, that you will become passionate about playing the cello, but you
> can't make it happen just by declaring it.
> If whatever passion taps you on the shoulder happens to carry an "above
> average" risk of serious injury, I'm wondering how much others factor
loved
> ones into their decision to pursue that passion. Suppose endorphin-laced
> optimistic thinking leads most to believe it won't happen to them. But, if
> you were the sort who values not hurting loved ones unnecessarily (i.e.
you
> define who you are as responsible), and you had accurate data that a
> serious injury (or worse) to you would make loved ones feel very, very
> badly.. what are your thoughts on how these competing interests would be
> balanced in forming your decision to pursue or not pursue that passion?
> Mike
> --
> Mike W.
> 96 XR400
> 70 CT70
> 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
> 99 KZ1000P (training)
> 99 KZ1000P (rider)
> 00 Beta Rev-3