Posted by Craig on April 30, 2008, 9:00 pm
> Well, if you haven't ridden at Clear Creek Management Area, well then
> your going to have to wait. It's closed.
Damn.
NJ is losing a national forest which puts the kabosh on two enduros.
It's only going to get worse.
Craig
Posted by Dean H. on April 30, 2008, 9:02 pm
> This whole ridiculous system needs to change and NOT in the way
> that Obama/Hillary want.
I'd be very intersted to see if Obama is on the record at all about public
lands.
And McCain for that matter
Hillary doesn't matter to me at all.
Posted by scrape on April 30, 2008, 9:11 pm
wrote:
>> This whole ridiculous system needs to change and NOT in the way
>> that Obama/Hillary want.
>I'd be very intersted to see if Obama is on the record at all about public
>lands.
Not that I'm aware of.
>And McCain for that matter
Nor him.
>Hillary doesn't matter to me at all.
Me neither.
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Posted by Nick Danger on May 1, 2008, 11:58 am
Dean H. wrote:
...
>I'd be very intersted to see if Obama is on the record at all about public
>lands.
See page 8 of: "For More Information about Barack's Plan...
Read the Environment Plan" on the official Obama campaign
website:
<http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnvironmentFactSheet.pdf>
"Obama supports the Roadless Area Conservation Rule, which
keeps over 58 million acres of national forests pristine. As
president, he will repair the damage done to our national
parks by inadequate funding and emphasize the protection and
restoration of our National Forests."
RACR, "protection and restoration of our National Forests",
... that should give some insight.
At least he's not a Senate co-sponsor of S1170 (nearly 10
million acres of BLM Wilderness in Utah). Clinton is, but
might debate the meaning of "is" depending on whether she's
drinking shots with gun-toting rednecks or merlot with
enlightened smuggies.
Nick D., T.E.
Posted by Dean H. on May 1, 2008, 12:11 pm
> Dean H. wrote:
> ...
>>I'd be very intersted to see if Obama is on the record at all about public
>>lands.
> See page 8 of: "For More Information about Barack's Plan...
> Read the Environment Plan" on the official Obama campaign
> website:
> <http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnvironmentFactSheet.pdf>
> "Obama supports the Roadless Area Conservation Rule, which
> keeps over 58 million acres of national forests pristine. As
> president, he will repair the damage done to our national
> parks by inadequate funding and emphasize the protection and
> restoration of our National Forests."
> RACR, "protection and restoration of our National Forests",
> ... that should give some insight.
> At least he's not a Senate co-sponsor of S1170 (nearly 10
> million acres of BLM Wilderness in Utah). Clinton is, but
> might debate the meaning of "is" depending on whether she's
> drinking shots with gun-toting rednecks or merlot with
> enlightened smuggies.
> Nick D., T.E.
Thanks,
Is that Zippy?
Page 8 has lots more stuff too. Nothing too happy sounding.
I especially worry about this "and will create additional incentives for
private landowners to protect and restore wetlands, grasslands, forests, and
other wildlife habitat." Since an incentive would probably be some kind of
tax relief, it's pretty easy to see that the other side of the coin would be
a disincentive (i.e. tax) on those who don't "protect and restore" their own
private land.
Depending on how this idea would be enforced, it could be a real intrusion
into landowners' privacy. I suppose some voluntary and optional paperwork
demonstrating a landowner's efforts could keep enforcement on the correct
side of privacy. I wonder if this idea is aimed at citizens like the Grand
Poobah of Jayrassic Park, or if he's talking about lumber companies and the
like. Probably both.
Anything useful from McCain?
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> your going to have to wait. It's closed.
Damn.