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Posted by Mark N on June 22, 2008, 2:39 pm
1. Casey Stoner (Ducati), Bridgestone, 30 laps, 44:44.982
2. Valentino Rossi (Yamaha), Bridgestone, -5.789 seconds
3. Dani Pedrosa (Honda), Michelin, -8.347
4. Colin Edwards (Yamaha), Michelin, -12.678
5. Andrea Dovizioso (Honda), Michelin, -14.801
6. Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha), Michelin, -15.690
7. Nicky Hayden (Honda), Michelin, -18.196
8. Chris Vermeulen (Suzuki), Bridgestone, -21.666
9. Shinya Nakano (Honda), Bridgestone, -29.354
10. Anthony West (Kawasaki), Bridgestone, -41.030
11. Toni Elias (Ducati), Bridgestone, -44.426
12. Randy De Puniet (Honda), Michelin, -46.199
13. Sylvain Guintoli (Ducati), Bridgestone, -48.731
14. Ben Spies (Suzuki), Bridgestone, -49.591
15. Alex De Angelis (Honda), Bridgestone, -82.186, crash
16. Marco Melandri (Ducati), Bridgestone, -90.021
17. James Toseland (Yamaha), Michelin, -1 lap, crash
18. John Hopkins (Kawasaki), Bridgestone, -14 laps, DNF, mechanical
At least it was dry, and how much did weather effect this race? Stoner
dominated in the dry on Friday and the wet on Saturday, then dry again
today, but what would have happened if yesterday had been dry and the
others had more of an opportunity to catch up?
Stoner posted race fast lap on lap 5, a 28.773, but that's more than a
half second off his best Friday afternoon time. Of course he hardly
needed more. None of the other guys who did 28s on Friday - Hayden,
Rossi, Edwards, de Angelis - could get there in the race either, Rossi a
tenth off his Friday best and the closest among them. No surprise that
Pedrosa was the mover at the very front, besting his Friday best by
nearly 0.4 and doing 8 laps faster than that one, a bit like the
Catalunya race. Dovizioso did better than that, doing 12 laps faster
than his best Friday afternoon, but then he'd actually lost a bit off
his best time from Friday morning.
Vermeulen made the most of his front row starting position, but he
actually only went under his Friday best time once. Lorenzo was the big
mover on that, doing faster times from the 5th lap on, and his fastest
on the last lap, a 29.275, a full second better than his Friday best.
Nakano, West and de Puniet didn't better their times, but Elias did, 11
times, and also Guintoli, 15 times.
And Spies beat his Friday time on 13 laps, his fastest by 0.65 second,
which I believe is second only to Lorenzo. His last lap, a 30.115, was
his 2nd-fastest, and you have to move up the order all the way to Hayden
to find one faster on that lap, and over the last half dozen laps he was
closing on everyone ahead of him up to Vermeulen. Which suggests he
might well have finished in the top ten had he had a dry Saturday to
continue learning the track, bike and tires (he made a point of
mentioning the tires after the race, saying he only got to the point of
sliding both ends in the 2nd half of the race).
Meanwhile Melandri finishes 41 seconds behind Spies and a minute and a
half behind his teammate - can he possibly continue, is there any point?
Meanwhile, West certainly saved his job, for another race or two anyway.
So who's testing for Kawasaki and Ducati at Indy in a couple weeks?
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Posted by Champ on June 22, 2008, 4:54 pm
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:39:40 -0700, Mark N
>1. Casey Stoner (Ducati), Bridgestone, 30 laps, 44:44.982
>2. Valentino Rossi (Yamaha), Bridgestone, -5.789 seconds
>3. Dani Pedrosa (Honda), Michelin, -8.347
>4. Colin Edwards (Yamaha), Michelin, -12.678
>5. Andrea Dovizioso (Honda), Michelin, -14.801
>6. Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha), Michelin, -15.690
>7. Nicky Hayden (Honda), Michelin, -18.196
>8. Chris Vermeulen (Suzuki), Bridgestone, -21.666
>9. Shinya Nakano (Honda), Bridgestone, -29.354
>10. Anthony West (Kawasaki), Bridgestone, -41.030
>11. Toni Elias (Ducati), Bridgestone, -44.426
>12. Randy De Puniet (Honda), Michelin, -46.199
>13. Sylvain Guintoli (Ducati), Bridgestone, -48.731
>14. Ben Spies (Suzuki), Bridgestone, -49.591
>15. Alex De Angelis (Honda), Bridgestone, -82.186, crash
>16. Marco Melandri (Ducati), Bridgestone, -90.021
>17. James Toseland (Yamaha), Michelin, -1 lap, crash
>18. John Hopkins (Kawasaki), Bridgestone, -14 laps, DNF, mechanical
>
>At least it was dry, and how much did weather effect this race? Stoner
>dominated in the dry on Friday and the wet on Saturday, then dry again
>today, but what would have happened if yesterday had been dry and the
>others had more of an opportunity to catch up?
Donington rarely produces exciting races, and this one was only
average. After Stoner being fastest in the wet and dry, I expected
him to run and hide, and that's exactly what he did. With the form
he's shown this weekend, he could be a player in the championship yet
- there's still a lot of races to go.
The only suprise to me was Pedrosa running so much faster than his
practice pace (as you, say, like Catalunya), and giving Rossi a run
for his money. Rossi was probably hoping to make a decent handful of
points on Pedrosa here, but in the end only got 4 back of the 5 he
lost in Spain.
Predicatable script of the day award goes to Toseland, throwing it
away in the first corner, and then pointlessly circulating at the back
for the rest of the race. Why didn't he just park it? Or, more
importantly, why didn't he match Lorenzo's run from the back of the
grid. Today he looked like a teenage rookie, not the next 'Great
British Hope'. Oh well, I guess Scott Redding can take over carrying
the heavy burden of 'a nation expects'.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk
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Posted by Julian Bond on June 23, 2008, 2:56 am
>The only suprise to me was Pedrosa running so much faster than his
>practice pace (as you, say, like Catalunya), and giving Rossi a run
>for his money. Rossi was probably hoping to make a decent handful of
>points on Pedrosa here, but in the end only got 4 back of the 5 he
>lost in Spain.
When is Pedrosa going to beat Rossi in an actual race? Yet again, he
faded in the last 5 laps. Is that Puig's voice in his head saying "Feel
the force of the points, Dani" or does the Honda lean out to avoid
running out of fuel?
>Predicatable script of the day award goes to Toseland, throwing it
>away in the first corner, and then pointlessly circulating at the back
>for the rest of the race.
Seems like I've watched a great British hope have a disastrous Donington
GP before. What actually happened in that first corner? Did he do it all
on his own? Or did he screw up avoiding Spies just in front of him? Not
that I'm saying it was in any way Spies' fault but an onboard shot
seemed to show him get right on Spies back wheel just before going down.
250s were good. That penultimate Goddards move by Simoncelli was classic
and we all cheered when "Iceman" Kallio nipped through. By luck or
judgement, Kallio's new frame seemed to be perfect for the braking in
the last 3rd of each lap and his back it in style was a joy to watch.
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Tastes Like Milk
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Posted by Champ on June 23, 2008, 5:37 am
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:56:05 +0100, Julian Bond
>>Predicatable script of the day award goes to Toseland, throwing it
>>away in the first corner, and then pointlessly circulating at the back
>>for the rest of the race.
>
>Seems like I've watched a great British hope have a disastrous Donington
>GP before.
Every two or three bloody years!
>What actually happened in that first corner? Did he do it all
>on his own? Or did he screw up avoiding Spies just in front of him? Not
>that I'm saying it was in any way Spies' fault but an onboard shot
>seemed to show him get right on Spies back wheel just before going down.
No, the onboard footage I saw showed him in space by himself and just
losing the back.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk
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Posted by Mark N on June 23, 2008, 11:41 am
Champ wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>>> Predicatable script of the day award goes to Toseland, throwing it
>>> away in the first corner, and then pointlessly circulating at the back
>>> for the rest of the race.
>> Seems like I've watched a great British hope have a disastrous Donington
>> GP before.
>
> Every two or three bloody years!
But has there been one who really had a premier class shot in recent
years? It's not like Ellison, Byrne, Hodgson, McWilliams were really
expected to do that much. And recall McKenzie battling Fogarty on the
Cagiva for 3rd (the last true production bike on a premier class
podium?) in '93, and Niall's charge through to the lead in '89. Not
quite like wins by Lawson, Rainey, Kocinski, Hayden at Laguna, but it's
something...
>> What actually happened in that first corner? Did he do it all
>> on his own? Or did he screw up avoiding Spies just in front of him? Not
>> that I'm saying it was in any way Spies' fault but an onboard shot
>> seemed to show him get right on Spies back wheel just before going down.
>
> No, the onboard footage I saw showed him in space by himself and just
> losing the back.
Yeah, it's hard to tell what happened there, it just seemed like James
got himself in the wrong spot and probably too hot, and he might have
gotten pushed a bit wide from the inside before the footage shown, but
it's not like you really own your part of the track and your line in a
first corner. And it's not like you can say Spies parked it or came down
on anyone, he was running pretty wide through that corner.
But given that Spies performance was quite solid all weekend, Julian
just has to find something to finger-point with - f*cking American riders...
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