Posted by Mark N on March 14, 2010, 6:55 am
Champ wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>
>> ps. There's some Spanish guy who's been doing pretty well in Moto2
>> testing. Ended up 3rd in the timings, I believe. Strange though to see a
>> Spaniard called Kenny.
>
> Heh.
>
> If Kenny Moyes is Spanish, then by the same logic Stoner is British
Was Casey born in the UK?
Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about Kenny Noyes; not familiar with
this Moyes fellow...
Posted by Champ on March 14, 2010, 2:36 pm
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:55:29 -0700, Mark N
>Champ wrote:
>> Julian Bond wrote:
>>
>>> ps. There's some Spanish guy who's been doing pretty well in Moto2
>>> testing. Ended up 3rd in the timings, I believe. Strange though to see a
>>> Spaniard called Kenny.
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> If Kenny Moyes is Spanish, then by the same logic Stoner is British
>Was Casey born in the UK?
>Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about Kenny Noyes; not familiar with
>this Moyes fellow...
Typo aside, I thought your argument that "Noyes doesn't count as
American" was because he's not raced in America, not come up throught
US racing. Well, Stoner came to the UK when he was 14, and came up
through the British racing system, not the Australian one.
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Posted by Mark N on March 14, 2010, 3:53 pm
Champ wrote:
> Mark N wrote:
>> Champ wrote:
>>> If Kenny Moyes is Spanish, then by the same logic Stoner is British
>> Was Casey born in the UK?
>
>> Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about Kenny Noyes; not familiar with
>> this Moyes fellow...
>
> Typo aside, I thought your argument that "Noyes doesn't count as
> American" was because he's not raced in America, not come up throught
> US racing. Well, Stoner came to the UK when he was 14, and came up
> through the British racing system, not the Australian one.
I think there are some critical differences, like Noyes was born in
Spain and has spent much of his life there, and has raced many more
years there than Stoner spent in the UK. My understanding of Stoner is
that his family relocated to the UK when he was 14, because Australia
didn't allow kids to roadrace until they were 16. But he also raced in
Spain before he went to GP, and was racing fulltime in GP starting in
2002, when he was 16. Noyes started roadracing, his first such
experience, in Spain in 2000, so he's basically been at that for a decade.
Posted by Mark N on March 14, 2010, 4:11 pm
Mark N wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>> Typo aside, I thought your argument that "Noyes doesn't count as
>> American" was because he's not raced in America, not come up throught
>> US racing. Well, Stoner came to the UK when he was 14, and came up
>> through the British racing system, not the Australian one.
>
> I think there are some critical differences, like Noyes was born in
> Spain and has spent much of his life there, and has raced many more
> years there than Stoner spent in the UK. My understanding of Stoner is
> that his family relocated to the UK when he was 14, because Australia
> didn't allow kids to roadrace until they were 16. But he also raced in
> Spain before he went to GP, and was racing fulltime in GP starting in
> 2002, when he was 16. Noyes started roadracing, his first such
> experience, in Spain in 2000, so he's basically been at that for a decade.
Btw, Noyes is listed on his website as 5'10" and 152 pounds (same weight
as Hayden and two inches taller, very standard American racer numbers),
and he's also spent his entire Spanish roadracing career on production
four strokes, as far as I can tell. Now, what are the chances that those
two things aren't related? He was 19 when he started racing in Spain, so
likely wasn't materially smaller then.
Posted by Dr Ivan D. Reid on March 13, 2010, 2:11 pm
> Btw, even with the addition of relative giants Spies and Simoncelli, and
> using the inflated weight figures from MotoGP.com (Lorenzo 65kg?
> Please...), the 2010 grid averages 61.9kg or 136.3lbs, right about where
> it's been since 2008 and roughly 12lbs less than it was five years ago.
> And over three years the average 800 race winner weighs in at under 134
> lbs (using a more realistic weight for Jorge); take away throwback GOAT
> Rossi and now-gone one-time wet winner Vermeulen and that drops to under
> 126 pounds, for over 60% of the race wins. And the average height of the
> grid is now 171cm or 5'7" according to MotoGP.com, even with the new
> giants - really little guys, no matter how you look at it...
No, they're giants -- I'm 165 cm. OTOH, I'm a bit[1] over 61.9 kg.
[1] OK, 16.6 kg this morning, and that's the lightest I've been in years...
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>> ps. There's some Spanish guy who's been doing pretty well in Moto2
>> testing. Ended up 3rd in the timings, I believe. Strange though to see a
>> Spaniard called Kenny.
>
> Heh.
>
> If Kenny Moyes is Spanish, then by the same logic Stoner is British