Leon Haslam disqualification.
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Leon Haslam disqualification. Chris Paine 05-14-2008
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Posted by Chris Paine on May 14, 2008, 1:36 pm
I haven't seen any comments in this group about Leon Haslam's
disqualification from the 2nd BSB race at Oulton Park. James Haydon
on the Channel 4 coverage was of the opinion that it was a mistake by
Leon, but not one that he'd like to see penalised (this was before
Leon was disqualified). I tend to agree with him, even though Leon
seems to have been a bit lairy this season. Anybody else got any
views? I'd be particularly interested in what people who actually race
themselves think.

Cheers,
--
"I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm happy ...
and I'll punch the man who says I'm not."

Posted by Champ on May 14, 2008, 7:10 pm
wrote:

>I haven't seen any comments in this group about Leon Haslam's
>disqualification from the 2nd BSB race at Oulton Park. James Haydon
>on the Channel 4 coverage was of the opinion that it was a mistake by
>Leon, but not one that he'd like to see penalised (this was before
>Leon was disqualified). I tend to agree with him, even though Leon
>seems to have been a bit lairy this season. Anybody else got any
>views? I'd be particularly interested in what people who actually race
>themselves think.

Well, I qualify on the last bit.

I replayed it several times, and it was a 'mistake' in the sense that
Haslam screwed up, but I think it does deserve some sort of
punishment. It seems fairly obvious that the move was never going to
work, and I think at that level one should expect a certain amount of
professionalism.

This is in contrast to my view on the Checa / Neukirchener (sp?) crash
in WSB this year. In that incident, I felt that Checa had got past
before Neukirchener crashed, and that it was a 'racing incident'.

I guess that this shows that these things are pretty finely balanced,
and it's rarely possible to make an absolute judgement.
--
Champ

Posted by Chris Paine on May 15, 2008, 10:50 am

> I replayed it several times, and it was a 'mistake' in the sense that
> Haslam screwed up, but I think it does deserve some sort of
> punishment. It seems fairly obvious that the move was never going to
> work, and I think at that level one should expect a certain amount of
> professionalism.
>
> This is in contrast to my view on the Checa / Neukirchener (sp?) crash
> in WSB this year. In that incident, I felt that Checa had got past
> before Neukirchener crashed, and that it was a 'racing incident'.
>
> I guess that this shows that these things are pretty finely balanced,
> and it's rarely possible to make an absolute judgement.

That's the problem really. In the Checa incident I seem to recall that
Neukirchner was injured, and missed the second race, but I guess these
things have to be judged on intent rather than outcome. For people of
a certain age these incidents always brings one mind back to Capirossi
knocking Harada off in the 250 championship decider. At the time I
thought Loris was well out of order, but then read interviews with
various racers, including Niall Mackenzie (who I always, rightly or
wrongly, considered pretty mild-mannered), who all said that they
would have done the same as Capirossi. Mind you that was on the final
lap of the final race of a World Championship. Perhaps the punishment
for Haslam was partly due to cumulative incidents?

Cheers,
--
"I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm happy ...
and I'll punch the man who says I'm not."


Posted by Switters on May 15, 2008, 12:58 pm
wrote:

> That's the problem really. In the Checa incident I seem to recall that
> Neukirchner was injured, and missed the second race, but I guess these
> things have to be judged on intent rather than outcome.

Not forgetting that Haslam had also "taken out" Sykes at Thruxton, the
meeting before. Previous form and all that, and the organisers wanted to
put a stop to it. Maybe.

Posted by shaun doherty on May 15, 2008, 4:40 pm

>
>> I replayed it several times, and it was a 'mistake' in the sense that
>> Haslam screwed up, but I think it does deserve some sort of
>> punishment. It seems fairly obvious that the move was never going to
>> work, and I think at that level one should expect a certain amount of
>> professionalism.
>>
>> This is in contrast to my view on the Checa / Neukirchener (sp?) crash
>> in WSB this year. In that incident, I felt that Checa had got past
>> before Neukirchener crashed, and that it was a 'racing incident'.
>>
>> I guess that this shows that these things are pretty finely balanced,
>> and it's rarely possible to make an absolute judgement.
>
> That's the problem really. In the Checa incident I seem to recall that
> Neukirchner was injured, and missed the second race, but I guess these
> things have to be judged on intent rather than outcome. For people of
> a certain age these incidents always brings one mind back to Capirossi
> knocking Harada off in the 250 championship decider. At the time I
> thought Loris was well out of order, but then read interviews with
> various racers, including Niall Mackenzie (who I always, rightly or
> wrongly, considered pretty mild-mannered), who all said that they
> would have done the same as Capirossi. Mind you that was on the final
> lap of the final race of a World Championship. Perhaps the punishment
> for Haslam was partly due to cumulative incidents?
>
> Cheers,
> --
> "I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm happy ...
> and I'll punch the man who says I'm not."

Here is the Capirossi / Harada incident , I hadnt seen it for years , but it
certailny was much worse than a racing incident !
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W41JLPv-yqQ

shaun
>



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