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Oh Nicky, what to do? T3 06-19-2008
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Posted by Mark N on June 21, 2008, 1:45 am
Champ wrote:
> Mark N wrote:
>>>> 5th quick and 0.6 faster than Pedrosa in the first session at Donington...
>> 2nd quick in session two...
>
> Just looked at the 'analysis' PDFs for the two sessions. Looks like
> Stoner is comfortably faster than everyone else at the moment.

Yeah, he's got a pretty good margin on the others, doing a number of
mid-28s and a total of ten 28s in the 2nd session, which he did all on
the same tires, while Hayden, Rossi , Edwards and de Angelis each only
got one high 28. If you look at those guys closer, Hayden only did seven
29s, and Rossi had only one lap below 29.7 before he did his two quick
ones very late. Edwards definitely had more consistent pace, doing ten
laps below 29.5, but that leaves him a solid half second off Casey.

De Angelis actually had more consistent speed than Rossi, doing six
mid-low 29s. Pedrosa started well, but slipped a bit then did his
get-off, and the rest of his session looks like a waste. Nakano was
steady high 29s and low 30s. Toseland got to a solid 29.4 pace the
second half of the session.

Anyway, I though it all seemed encouraging, it appears Casey is back on
track and Rossi isn't just going to run away and hide, as it was
starting to look a couple races ago. Nick's first day on the pneumi
motor was good stuff, and at least I like seeing him looking like
getting into it now. If he does get a result you can bet Dani will want
one too, but I'm not sure it'll be to his taste. It was funny to hear
Casey and Nicky talking about things at the end of the day, with Casey
saying the problem they'd had was the way the thing was hitting and
destabilizing the bike, while Nick was saying that's just the price you
pay for getting something to do what he wants. Not sure that Dani will
want to pay that price; Melandri doesn't seem to be enjoying it so far.

Now all we need is for the Rat to get healthy and get his confidence
back. Well, that and better Kawis. Too bad Toseland wasn't a bit
quicker, I'd like to see him in a podium fight come Sunday. And it was
good to watch Spies progress today, although he's at a point where it
gets tougher, every tenth will be more work now. He needs a full second
or more tomorrow to really move up, and it would be a very good day if
he could get up with West, Dovizioso and Melandri. I hope it stays dry,
because it would be good to see if sleeping on the day provides him with
some ideas.

Anyway, not yet convinced Casey will just run away with this one, and I
think it might end up pretty good. My sentimental choice is finally
Colin, of course, on one of his best tracks.

Posted by Andrew on June 21, 2008, 1:52 am

> Champ wrote:
>> Mark N wrote:
>>>>> 5th quick and 0.6 faster than Pedrosa in the first session at
>>>>> Donington...
>>> 2nd quick in session two...
>>
>> Just looked at the 'analysis' PDFs for the two sessions. Looks like
>> Stoner is comfortably faster than everyone else at the moment.
>
> Yeah, he's got a pretty good margin on the others, doing a number of
> mid-28s and a total of ten 28s in the 2nd session, which he did all on the
> same tires, while Hayden, Rossi , Edwards and de Angelis each only got one
> high 28. If you look at those guys closer, Hayden only did seven 29s, and
> Rossi had only one lap below 29.7 before he did his two quick ones very
> late. Edwards definitely had more consistent pace, doing ten laps below
> 29.5, but that leaves him a solid half second off Casey.
>
> De Angelis actually had more consistent speed than Rossi, doing six
> mid-low 29s. Pedrosa started well, but slipped a bit then did his get-off,
> and the rest of his session looks like a waste. Nakano was steady high 29s
> and low 30s. Toseland got to a solid 29.4 pace the second half of the
> session.
>
> Anyway, I though it all seemed encouraging, it appears Casey is back on
> track and Rossi isn't just going to run away and hide, as it was starting
> to look a couple races ago. Nick's first day on the pneumi motor was good
> stuff, and at least I like seeing him looking like getting into it now. If
> he does get a result you can bet Dani will want one too, but I'm not sure
> it'll be to his taste. It was funny to hear Casey and Nicky talking about
> things at the end of the day, with Casey saying the problem they'd had was
> the way the thing was hitting and destabilizing the bike, while Nick was
> saying that's just the price you pay for getting something to do what he
> wants. Not sure that Dani will want to pay that price; Melandri doesn't
> seem to be enjoying it so far.
>
> Now all we need is for the Rat to get healthy and get his confidence back.
> Well, that and better Kawis. Too bad Toseland wasn't a bit quicker, I'd
> like to see him in a podium fight come Sunday. And it was good to watch
> Spies progress today, although he's at a point where it gets tougher,
> every tenth will be more work now. He needs a full second or more tomorrow
> to really move up, and it would be a very good day if he could get up with
> West, Dovizioso and Melandri. I hope it stays dry, because it would be
> good to see if sleeping on the day provides him with some ideas.
>
> Anyway, not yet convinced Casey will just run away with this one, and I
> think it might end up pretty good. My sentimental choice is finally Colin,
> of course, on one of his best tracks.

I am rooting for Colin too! This is his part of the season.


--
Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Squiddo


Posted by Champ on June 21, 2008, 6:18 am
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:45:24 -0700, Mark N

>Toseland got to a solid 29.4 pace the second half of the session.

Interesting comment from Toseland (from MotoGP.com)

"It is quite a bit different riding at this track on an 800 that what
I did last year in World Superbikes. I tried my old lines but they
donīt work! The speed is just so much faster and that determines the
corner speed you carry. Using my old lines I couldn't square the
corner off, so even though I know the track I have to learn and
adjust."

Shows what a learning curve Ben Spies is on.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

Posted by Mark N on June 21, 2008, 9:45 am
Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:45:24 -0700, Mark N
>
>> Toseland got to a solid 29.4 pace the second half of the session.
>
> Interesting comment from Toseland (from MotoGP.com)
>
> "It is quite a bit different riding at this track on an 800 that what
> I did last year in World Superbikes. I tried my old lines but they
> donīt work! The speed is just so much faster and that determines the
> corner speed you carry. Using my old lines I couldn't square the
> corner off, so even though I know the track I have to learn and
> adjust."
>
> Shows what a learning curve Ben Spies is on.

Makes one wonder if it might be a bit of an advantage to have a blank
slate for Spies in that sense, no preconceptions on anything, no
baggage. No that he's faster that way, but he doesn't have to do a
mental reset.

Just got up to watch qualifying, too bad about all the rain, but Spies
10th in P3!, right between Rossi and Vermeulen, and currently 11th.
Impressive stuff. For an American who doesn't race in the rain, you know...

Not so much for Melandri, though, solidly in last, with rumors flying
that he's gone next week, Sete in his place. Has anyone of race-winning
ability ever dropped so far?

Posted by Champ on June 21, 2008, 10:23 am
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:45:35 -0700, Mark N

>Just got up to watch qualifying, too bad about all the rain, but Spies
>10th in P3!, right between Rossi and Vermeulen, and currently 11th.
>Impressive stuff. For an American who doesn't race in the rain, you know...

He did even better in the QP, finishing 8th overall (tho 2 seconds
down on polesitter Stoner, who was in a class of his own). Very
impressed with Spies.

Conversely, Toseland struggled all afternoon, slowly slipping down the
order until he left himself a mountain to climb, going out on fresh
rubber with 4 mins to go. And consequently crashed *twice*. So now
he starts from 16th - true to form for our national stereotype of the
'plucky brit against the odds'. <sigh>

>Not so much for Melandri, though, solidly in last, with rumors flying
>that he's gone next week, Sete in his place. Has anyone of race-winning
>ability ever dropped so far?

Hayden? Roberts Jnr?

<runs, ducks and hides> :-)
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

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