Posted by Champ on November 25, 2008, 8:08 am
wrote:
>> Hayden has his moments as well and the proper racing background to boot.
>> Wonder what he'll be like on the rather tricky Ducati.
>Slow.
It's one of the more interesting questions that I look forward to
being answered in the 2009 season. The pro-Hayden lobby say he suits
a bike that is loose, and he can hang out, so he may get on with the
Ducati. I'm amost swayed by this argument. Almost.
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Posted by Bear on November 25, 2008, 8:11 am
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Hayden has his moments as well and the proper racing background to boot.
> >> Wonder what he'll be like on the rather tricky Ducati.
> >
> >Slow.
>
> It's one of the more interesting questions that I look forward to
> being answered in the 2009 season. The pro-Hayden lobby say he suits
> a bike that is loose, and he can hang out, so he may get on with the
> Ducati. I'm amost swayed by this argument. Almost.
He's a bit shit. He'll sink like a stone.
--
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport
Posted by antonye on November 25, 2008, 10:20 am
Bear wrote:
> Champ says...
> > Bear wrote:
> > > Geo says...
> > > > Hayden has his moments as well and the proper racing
> > > > background to boot. Wonder what he'll be like on the
> > > > rather tricky Ducati.
> > > Slow.
> > It's one of the more interesting questions that I look forward to
> > being answered in the 2009 season. The pro-Hayden lobby say he suits
> > a bike that is loose, and he can hang out, so he may get on with the
> > Ducati. I'm amost swayed by this argument. Almost.
> He's a bit shit. He'll sink like a stone.
I've actually grown to like Hayden over the last season, as he's put
in some admirable performances on a bike that had: an older (less
powerful) engine than Pedrosa's, has worse tyres than Pedrosa's,
was developed specifically around Pedrosa and with no shared setup
data from Pedrosa (given the garage spat). I still think Rossi
*lost* the 2006 title, but Hayden has proven his worth over this
last year, for sure.
Will he get on with the 'sedici? He topped the table in the Valencia
test, albeit in the rain and with not many of the front runners out
there. He said he enjoyed it, but then he would hardly say otherwise
after his first day on the job!
I'm sure that if he can find the settings that he likes on the bike
(suspension and TC) then it could be very interesting indeed. Will
he "do a Melandri" and disappear? I think I might have a quick
Google to see what times Melandri did in the closed season testing
as that may have revealed he didn't like the bike then, or that
we should read the testing times with a pinch of salt.
But either way, as Champ says, it will be interesting to watch.
--
Antony
Posted by Bear on November 25, 2008, 10:50 am
In article <4eb7df83-3b9a-4fb7-9a15-
9656c206142a@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, antonye says...
> Bear wrote:
> > Champ says...
> > > Bear wrote:
> > > > Geo says...
> >
> > > > > Hayden has his moments as well and the proper racing
> > > > > background to boot. Wonder what he'll be like on the
> > > > > rather tricky Ducati.
> >
> > > > Slow.
> >
> > > It's one of the more interesting questions that I look forward to
> > > being answered in the 2009 season. The pro-Hayden lobby say he suits
> > > a bike that is loose, and he can hang out, so he may get on with the
> > > Ducati. I'm amost swayed by this argument. Almost.
> >
> > He's a bit shit. He'll sink like a stone.
>
> I've actually grown to like Hayden over the last season, as he's put
> in some admirable performances on a bike that had: an older (less
> powerful) engine than Pedrosa's, has worse tyres than Pedrosa's,
> was developed specifically around Pedrosa and with no shared setup
> data from Pedrosa (given the garage spat). I still think Rossi
> *lost* the 2006 title,
You think? :)
> but Hayden has proven his worth over this
> last year, for sure.
> Will he get on with the 'sedici? He topped the table in the Valencia
> test, albeit in the rain and with not many of the front runners out
> there. He said he enjoyed it, but then he would hardly say otherwise
> after his first day on the job!
>
> I'm sure that if he can find the settings that he likes on the bike
> (suspension and TC) then it could be very interesting indeed. Will
> he "do a Melandri" and disappear? I think I might have a quick
> Google to see what times Melandri did in the closed season testing
> as that may have revealed he didn't like the bike then, or that
> we should read the testing times with a pinch of salt.
He'll be somewhere in the top ten, but rarely at the front, as usual.
> But either way, as Champ says, it will be interesting to watch.
Oh sure.
--
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport
Posted by Mark N on November 25, 2008, 11:00 am
antonye wrote:
> I still think Rossi
> *lost* the 2006 title
Well, yes, he screwed up and crashed out of the last race with a decent
points lead. But he did so under pressure from Hayden, unable to match
Nicky's pace in the early laps.
> I'm sure that if he can find the settings that he likes on the bike
> (suspension and TC) then it could be very interesting indeed. Will
> he "do a Melandri" and disappear? I think I might have a quick
> Google to see what times Melandri did in the closed season testing
> as that may have revealed he didn't like the bike then, or that
> we should read the testing times with a pinch of salt.
Here is Marco's first day, at Valencia:
1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 32.348 secs
2. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 33.176 secs
3. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 33.186 secs
4. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 33.266 secs
5. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 33.387 secs
6. Toni Elias SPA Pramac d'Antin (B) 1min 33.508 secs
7. Randy de Puniet FRA Honda LCR (M) 1min 33.563 secs
8. Shinya Nakano JPN Honda Gresini (B) 1min 33.901 secs
9. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 34.277 secs
10. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 34.330 secs
11. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Pramac d'Antin (B) 1min 34.367 secs
12. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 34.433 secs
13. Alex de Angelis RSM Honda Gresini (B) 1min 34.471 secs
14. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot (M) 1min 34.760 secs
15. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Suzuki Test Rider (B) 1min 35.564 secs
16. Olivier Jacque FRA Kawasaki Test Rider (B) 1min 35.727 secs
17. Vittoriano Guareschi ITA Ducati Test Rider (B) 1min 36.115 secs
Note that he was 2.2 seconds off Stoner, slower than both Pramac guys
and slower than any returning MotoGP regular. Now here's Nick's first day:
1. Casey Stoner, Ducati Marlboro Team - 1´32.464
2. Dani Pedrosa, Repsol Honda - 1´32.672
3. Valentino Rossi, Fiat Yamaha Team - 1´32.921
4. Chris Vermeulen, Rizla Suzuki MotoGP - 1´33.142
5. Loris Capirossi, Rizla Suzuki MotoGP - 1´33.325
6. Alex De Angelis, San Carlo Honda Gresini - 1´33.375
7. Jorge Lorenzo, Fiat Yamaha Team - 1´33.550
8. Andrea Dovizioso, Repsol Honda - 1´33.676
9. John Hopkins, Kawasaki Racing Team - 1´33.760
10. Marco Melandri, Kawasaki Racing Team - 1´33.782
11. Randy De Puniet, LCR Honda MotoGP - 1´33.832
12. Nicky Hayden, Ducati Marlboro Team - 1´33.960
13. Toni Elias, San Carlo Honda Gresini - 1´34.129
14. Sete Gibernau, Onde 2000 Ducati - 1´34.451
15. Mika Kallio, Alice Team - 1´34.793
16. Olivier Jacque, Kawasaki Racing Team - 1´34.925
17. Niccolo Canepa, Alice Team - 1´34.995
18. Yuki Takahashi, JiR Team Scot Honda - 1´35.203
So Nicky was 1.5 seconds off Stoner's fast time and at least faster than
one returning regular. Note, though, that Stoner was slower than last
year and the others were closer, which suggests the new machine might
not be as sorted as the '08 bike was last year.
Don't know that it means much, this week at Jerez should be more telling.
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>> Wonder what he'll be like on the rather tricky Ducati.
>Slow.