Posted by allen on October 10, 2009, 6:59 am
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Richmond
>> >On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:03:46 -0700 (PDT), Dirt
>>
>> >>My heart wants Spies to win, but my head is telling me it'll likely be
>> >>Haga. Haga's been good enough the past few races I find it unlikely
>> >>Spies will be able to beat him twice in Portugal. Still, Spies' has
>> >>done this before against Mladin. Anything is possible. Perhaps
>> >>Biaggi would be kind enough to barg Haga off the track once to make
>> >>things even... ;)
>>
>> >I have an uneasy feeling that Rea is going to factor into the results
>> >in a negative way. Lately he's been fast enough to be at the front
>> >and reckless enough to be a danger to everyone around him.
>>
>> Do explain - I haven't heard Rea described as "reckless" before.
>Over cooking turns and running off the track, or sometimes into other
>racers. At least two off track excursions in one race. He is a loose
>cannon. It was mentioned that other riders didn't want to be near him
>for fear of getting taken out.
Cite please?
Posted by Julian Bond on October 9, 2009, 2:55 am
>*By finishing 4th and 5th at Imola, Spies managed to hand the points
>lead back to Haga, thereby avoiding Ducati being allowed to drop 3kg
>from their bikes for the last two races. An interesting strategy which
>paid off in race one at Magny Cours, but it backfired some with his
>tough race two; still, it may pay off yet.
WTF are you on about? You really think finishing 4th and 5th at Imola
was an "interesting strategy" to stop Ducati getting an extra weight
advantage. You really are so full of shit.
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Posted by Mark N on October 9, 2009, 10:29 am
Julian Bond wrote:
> Mark N
>> *By finishing 4th and 5th at Imola, Spies managed to hand the points
>> lead back to Haga, thereby avoiding Ducati being allowed to drop 3kg
>> from their bikes for the last two races. An interesting strategy which
>> paid off in race one at Magny Cours, but it backfired some with his
>> tough race two; still, it may pay off yet.
>
> WTF are you on about? You really think finishing 4th and 5th at Imola
> was an "interesting strategy" to stop Ducati getting an extra weight
> advantage. You really are so full of shit.
That was entirely tongue-in-cheek. But the absurdity of that rule in WSB
is quite clear now, perhaps even to you - even with Ducatis the most
dominant bikes in the series, having clinched the manufacturer's
championship (measured by the points of the top finisher in each race,
now at 509 for Ducati, 456 for Yamaha, 379 for Honda) and with a wide
lead over any other manufacturer in the points that trigger changes
under this rule (measured by the points of the top two finishers in each
race in each category, now at 981 for the four cylinder factories
combined and 868 for Ducati/the twins, but only 649 for Honda, 612 for
Yamaha, 395 for Aprilia), the rules came that close to triggering a
reduction in the weight of the Ducatis because the formula determined
that twins were operating at a disadvantage, were being penalized
relative to the fours by having to run at a too-high weight, based on
the results. Really no one can seriously defend the construction of that
rule now, it shows the intentions of rulesmakers quite plainly, that
they simply want Ducati to be doing the winning in this series.
Posted by Julian Bond on October 9, 2009, 3:03 am
>Newsflash, Julian - there is always an opening on the inside going ito
>a corner, no one runs right on the inside curbing going in. The issue
>is always how much of an opening there is, how far back the trailing
>rider is, and can he get by cleanly.
I guess you didn't watch any of Magny Cours then. Every single race had
at least one person doing the exact same thing as Simoncelli at the dead
stop corners. Probably best for this was the 600 Superstocks (Go Gino!).
>> No. The real problem there wasn't Marco, it was the damn stupid slow
>> chicane.
>Now you're thinking like a real Italian - blame the fakking track...
Dead stop chicanes and hairpins have no place in motorcycle racing.
Every single one of them has caused accidents and messes up the racing.
I hate them.
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Posted by Michael Sierchio on October 9, 2009, 4:04 am
Julian Bond wrote:
> Dead stop chicanes and hairpins have no place in motorcycle racing.
> Every single one of them has caused accidents and messes up the racing.
> I hate them.
>
I'll defend turn 9 at Sears Point - without it, folks would be into the
concrete wall by turn 10 at 140mph - and the wall can't be moved, it's
a friggin' public highway on the other side. And there's no room there
for airfence. Think IOM safety protocols. ;-)
The "designed by computer tracks" we have in the US - Barber and Miller -
don't have any place on them where you'd need to get a MotoGP bike out
of 4th gear. But they do flow...
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>> >>My heart wants Spies to win, but my head is telling me it'll likely be
>> >>Haga. Haga's been good enough the past few races I find it unlikely
>> >>Spies will be able to beat him twice in Portugal. Still, Spies' has
>> >>done this before against Mladin. Anything is possible. Perhaps
>> >>Biaggi would be kind enough to barg Haga off the track once to make
>> >>things even... ;)
>>
>> >I have an uneasy feeling that Rea is going to factor into the results
>> >in a negative way. Lately he's been fast enough to be at the front
>> >and reckless enough to be a danger to everyone around him.
>>
>> Do explain - I haven't heard Rea described as "reckless" before.
>Over cooking turns and running off the track, or sometimes into other
>racers. At least two off track excursions in one race. He is a loose
>cannon. It was mentioned that other riders didn't want to be near him
>for fear of getting taken out.