Posted by Mark N on October 9, 2009, 10:54 am
Michael Sierchio wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>
>> Dead stop chicanes and hairpins have no place in motorcycle racing.
>> Every single one of them has caused accidents and messes up the racing.
>> I hate them.
>
> I'll defend turn 9 at Sears Point - without it, folks would be into the
> concrete wall by turn 10 at 140mph - and the wall can't be moved, it's
> a friggin' public highway on the other side. And there's no room there
> for airfence. Think IOM safety protocols. ;-)
And Imola is that over and over, an old track that used to be very fast
but has been chopped up with chicanes because of lack of runoff. Really
has ruined the character of that track. The benefit of the new straight
and chicane at Sears is that it has created a prime passing spot instead
of the usual follow-the-leader nature of the old esses, so in that sense
an improvement over that aspect of the old track.
> The "designed by computer tracks" we have in the US - Barber and Miller -
> don't have any place on them where you'd need to get a MotoGP bike out
> of 4th gear. But they do flow...
I guess you've never been to Miller then - I can't even image a team
choosing not to use 5th and 6th on the front straight, which is probably
longer than the straights at the majority of tracks used in GP. On the
other hand, at Laguna, which is about as far from a "designed by
computer" track as you'll get, I doubt anyone uses 6th, and some may not
use 5th.
Posted by Mark N on October 9, 2009, 10:43 am
Julian Bond wrote:
> Mark N
>> Newsflash, Julian - there is always an opening on the inside going ito
>> a corner, no one runs right on the inside curbing going in. The issue
>> is always how much of an opening there is, how far back the trailing
>> rider is, and can he get by cleanly.
>
> I guess you didn't watch any of Magny Cours then. Every single race had
> at least one person doing the exact same thing as Simoncelli at the dead
> stop corners. Probably best for this was the 600 Superstocks (Go Gino!).
From MotoGPMatters: "Current 250cc Word Champion Marco Simoncelli, in a
one-off appearance for Aprilia, after finally dispatching a pesky Shakey
Byrne with Ben Spies in tow, caught a fading Biaggi with 9 laps to go
and in a move that redefines the term "hairball pass" forced the Emperor
off track, nearly collecting the hapless Spies, who took an unwanted
trip through the kitty litter, killing his momentum."
Simoncelli: "In the chicane with my team-mate I didn't want to pass him,
but I braked too hard and I think 'either I hit him and we crash or I
try to pass'. I succeeded and I am very happy... I didn't want to make
the pass I did at the Variante Bassa, but I ended up long in the
straightaway and in order to not end up in the gravel I took the chicane
the same way and it ended up fine."
In other words, business as usual?
>>> No. The real problem there wasn't Marco, it was the damn stupid slow
>>> chicane.
>>
>> Now you're thinking like a real Italian - blame the fakking track...
>
> Dead stop chicanes and hairpins have no place in motorcycle racing.
> Every single one of them has caused accidents and messes up the racing.
> I hate them.
So do I, but it seems you're trying to change the subject...
>
>> Dead stop chicanes and hairpins have no place in motorcycle racing.
>> Every single one of them has caused accidents and messes up the racing.
>> I hate them.
>
> I'll defend turn 9 at Sears Point - without it, folks would be into the
> concrete wall by turn 10 at 140mph - and the wall can't be moved, it's
> a friggin' public highway on the other side. And there's no room there
> for airfence. Think IOM safety protocols. ;-)