Will Hartung wrote:
> Mark N wrote:
>>
>> I certainly hope Tommy can stay up there, to make the racing more
>> interesting and for his good. Like to see him get his first win soon.
>
> Yea, I would like to think this is the case. To be honest, I want Mat to
> win this year just to rub their noses in the fiasco that was last year.
> But I think Tommy should be able to take some wins as well and come out
> to be the man to beat next year.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'd like to see as well.
> Mat is obviously still bitter if you read that interview snippet from
> the post qualifying interview yesterday.
He's obviously unhappy to be in the position he's in this late on his
career after all he's done...
>> So what do you think that's all about, if the grid is bigger? Do you
>> think it's the same number of racers getting shoved into fewer
>> classes? Do you think anything about the DMG concept has increased
>> actual participation? The SB field was very thin last year, RRW shows
>> only 19 starters in R1 and 22 in R2 last year, but yesterday it was 27
>> starters, not unusually high, especially given that SStock is gone now
>> (22 starters last year, but some also started in SB).
>
> I think it's simply that ASB is the only liter class in the game. I
> don't know if the ASB qualification margin is the same or more generous
> than last year, but I don't see why last years SuperStock bike can't
> qualify for this grid, and they simply have nowhere else to go.
Last year JR Page's SStock qualifying time, a 1:30, had him 16th on that
grid, and would have put him in 23rd in the final ASB qualifying session
this year. Yates' SSt pole, 24.9, would have put him 9th in the ASB
session. So, yeah, most of the grid is basically doing SSt times.
Mladin's Q time did beat Spies' from last year, but last year the only Q
session was on Friday after Saturday's session was canceled because of
the wind.
>> Have you seen the Soup pole on that? It's been running at ~92% for
>> "It's a sad and pathetic joke. We are now, officially, a
>> laughingstock." Which is a staggering condemnation of the whole series.
>
> Yea, it really is.
So DMG has now suspended Hacking for being pissy about having to race
the Buell, pretty much what you'd expect. Not sure what he did exactly,
but I watched the two press conferences and most of what went down was
between Hacking and DiSalvo, and it seemed like it was coming from
DiSalvo (Jamie and Danny were talking during Jason's Q&A). But it's
pretty clear that he's being targeted for not acting like the racing is
totally fair out there.
>> Anyway, looks like Davies on the Aprilia was 8th and 15.6 seconds
>> back, and the 2nd Buell was Barnes in 12th, then Higbee in 15th. There
>> were two other Buells and another Aprilia out there, but no Ducatis.
>
> Is there a Ducati that can run DSB? I thought the 848s were out.
Nope, there were a couple that qualified at Daytona.
> I don't know why Eslicks Buell did so much better than the other two,
> unless its simply all Danny there.
>
>> No chance - this is part of the master plan, remember?
>
> Then, what, DSB is going to turn in to 750 Superstock? Everyone on the
> same thing? Buell Cup? Whee!
It's going to be pretty much what it is now, most of the guys on
Japanese 600s and Buell doing better than they should. At some point the
Japanese factories would start complaining, you'd think, but does DMG
care about that? And the close margin yesterday just gives DMG the cover
they need to not do anything about it. Hell, they'll use it to justify
their formula, as if Eslick is of equal ability to Hacking.
>> Yep, if Yamaha couldn't take advantage of their early lead, why would
>> they catch up now? I think the Suzuki is probably just the better
>> race bike, and the new rules mean teams can't really work around that.
>> They yuou throw in Yosh and Mladin superiority and it just gets
>> tougher. So how long will it take for DMG to handicap/penalize them,
>> will they even wait until we see what the '09 can do?
>
> The comment from Pegram at Daytona, who we didn't get to see run here,
> having his full factory prepped bike with all the bells and whistles etc
> already being done, and he still wasn't running up there at the front
> speaks volumes.
Got on the podium yesterday, even as banged up as the Worm is, so it
pretty clearly does have an advantage under these rules. Is this really
a factory-prepped machine? I would have thought it isn't much more than
what Pegram raced in FX last year. Of course the 1098R IS a kit racebike
out of the box...
> If they're true to their word, they will tweak something somewhere,
> probably after another couple races. If they're honest, they'll tweak
> the Buell as well. What they do, either way, will also speak volumes.
Again, what happened in DSB yesterday gives them a lot of cover, and
that no one on another machine can get within 10-15 seconds of Mladin
makes Suzuki very vulnerable. If they put weight on it or something, it
penalizes more than half the field. But expect action in ASB and none in
DSB.
>> Really kind of a disastrous time for this series, with reality sinking
>> in in so many ways. This week we found out there won't be any AMA
>> classes at Miller, which, while not a huge shock, is a pretty big deal.
>
> I think that's a big mistake. I know the GP has the volume, but Miller
> last year was (and Laguna years before) the top event on the calender.
> If you were to go to only ONE race last year, IMHO, Miller was the place
> to be. With Ben Spies in the series, Miller will be even bigger. And the
> AMA won't be there. All we'll have is questions wondering WTF.
Yes, it seems like DMG should be thinking of that round as a way to
advertise their new series and not this ego-driven business about who
has the bigger dick. I just hope it doesn't hurt attendance too much.
>> Yosh Suzuki still seems to be dominating in SB, no matter how much DMG
>> tried to nuke that class, and the big twin DSB thing was pretty much
>> revealed for what it is yesterday. Again, that Soup poll is really a
>> massive condemnation of this whole thing, and one wonders what Rog Ed
>> might be thinking if he saw it. And today they're out there running in
>> the rain at Fontana, something they've never had to do before - what
>> might come of that?
>
> Man, I hope nothing comes of that. I don't know what they're thinking
> out there. I noticed (haven't checked recently) that Mat either didn't
> run, or wasn't in the top 11 of the morning ASB warmup. I'm guessing he
> didn't run.
That's what I assumed, but haven't seen anything yet. I also note that
Mat is now officially on probation, for missing the autograph session at
Fontana. It's not going to go well, I predict...
>> Still haven't decided on going to Sears, Miller won't include the AMA,
>> and Laguna now may not be certain as well (and may not include ASB
>> anyway, as Miller wasn't going to). I might make Indy again, but no
>> AMA there, so I might just miss this whole mess this season. But I'll
>> be back when the MIC series starts next year...
>
> I think you should go to Sears for the same reason, you're right next
> door, and you can blast out there even for one race and get back home
> real quick. Little pricey, but it's a nice venue and I think Mat and
> Tommy will put on a good show, just like the Yamahas and Hondas will.
Probably will, it's worth it just to check out the current scene. But I
really hate to be seen supporting this mess, to put money in the pockets
of people doing so. And I do expect to see a smaller crowd, unless
something very dramatic happens between now and then that compels people
to show up.
You know, like a tomato-throwing contest with Rog Ed as the target and
the prize being a free trip for two to Miller or Indy to see some real
racing...
> Will Hartung wrote:
> > Mark N wrote:
> >> I certainly hope Tommy can stay up there, to make the racing more
> >> interesting and for his good. Like to see him get his first win soon.
> > Yea, I would like to think this is the case. To be honest, I want Mat to
> > win this year just to rub their noses in the fiasco that was last year.
> > But I think Tommy should be able to take some wins as well and come out
> > to be the man to beat next year.
> Yeah, that's pretty much what I'd like to see as well.
It may be what you would like to see but I wouldn't bet on it. I
suspect Mat could have left Tommy behind any time he wanted to but
didn't so as not to give DMG more of a reason to handicap his team. I
don't expect Mat will let him win any until he (Mat) has a comfortable
points lead.
> > Mat is obviously still bitter if you read that interview snippet from
> > the post qualifying interview yesterday.
> He's obviously unhappy to be in the position he's in this late on his
> career after all he's done...
> >> So what do you think that's all about, if the grid is bigger? Do you
> >> think it's the same number of racers getting shoved into fewer
> >> classes? Do you think anything about the DMG concept has increased
> >> actual participation? The SB field was very thin last year, RRW shows
> >> only 19 starters in R1 and 22 in R2 last year, but yesterday it was 27
> >> starters, not unusually high, especially given that SStock is gone now
> >> (22 starters last year, but some also started in SB).
> > I think it's simply that ASB is the only liter class in the game. I
> > don't know if the ASB qualification margin is the same or more generous
> > than last year, but I don't see why last years SuperStock bike can't
> > qualify for this grid, and they simply have nowhere else to go.
> Last year JR Page's SStock qualifying time, a 1:30, had him 16th on that
> grid, and would have put him in 23rd in the final ASB qualifying session
> this year. Yates' SSt pole, 24.9, would have put him 9th in the ASB
> session. So, yeah, most of the grid is basically doing SSt times.
> Mladin's Q time did beat Spies' from last year, but last year the only Q
> session was on Friday after Saturday's session was canceled because of
> the wind.
> >> Have you seen the Soup pole on that? It's been running at ~92% for
> >> "It's a sad and pathetic joke. We are now, officially, a
> >> laughingstock." Which is a staggering condemnation of the whole series.
> > Yea, it really is.
> So DMG has now suspended Hacking for being pissy about having to race
> the Buell, pretty much what you'd expect. Not sure what he did exactly,
> but I watched the two press conferences and most of what went down was
> between Hacking and DiSalvo, and it seemed like it was coming from
> DiSalvo (Jamie and Danny were talking during Jason's Q&A). But it's
> pretty clear that he's being targeted for not acting like the racing is
> totally fair out there.
> >> Anyway, looks like Davies on the Aprilia was 8th and 15.6 seconds
> >> back, and the 2nd Buell was Barnes in 12th, then Higbee in 15th. There
> >> were two other Buells and another Aprilia out there, but no Ducatis.
> > Is there a Ducati that can run DSB? I thought the 848s were out.
> Nope, there were a couple that qualified at Daytona.
> > I don't know why Eslicks Buell did so much better than the other two,
> > unless its simply all Danny there.
> >> No chance - this is part of the master plan, remember?
> > Then, what, DSB is going to turn in to 750 Superstock? Everyone on the
> > same thing? Buell Cup? Whee!
> It's going to be pretty much what it is now, most of the guys on
> Japanese 600s and Buell doing better than they should. At some point the
> Japanese factories would start complaining, you'd think, but does DMG
> care about that? And the close margin yesterday just gives DMG the cover
> they need to not do anything about it. Hell, they'll use it to justify
> their formula, as if Eslick is of equal ability to Hacking.
> >> Yep, if Yamaha couldn't take advantage of their early lead, why would
> >> they catch up now? I think the Suzuki is probably just the better
> >> race bike, and the new rules mean teams can't really work around that.
> >> They yuou throw in Yosh and Mladin superiority and it just gets
> >> tougher. So how long will it take for DMG to handicap/penalize them,
> >> will they even wait until we see what the '09 can do?
> > The comment from Pegram at Daytona, who we didn't get to see run here,
> > having his full factory prepped bike with all the bells and whistles etc
> > already being done, and he still wasn't running up there at the front
> > speaks volumes.
> Got on the podium yesterday, even as banged up as the Worm is, so it
> pretty clearly does have an advantage under these rules. Is this really
> a factory-prepped machine? I would have thought it isn't much more than
> what Pegram raced in FX last year. Of course the 1098R IS a kit racebike
> out of the box...
> > If they're true to their word, they will tweak something somewhere,
> > probably after another couple races. If they're honest, they'll tweak
> > the Buell as well. What they do, either way, will also speak volumes.
> Again, what happened in DSB yesterday gives them a lot of cover, and
> that no one on another machine can get within 10-15 seconds of Mladin
> makes Suzuki very vulnerable. If they put weight on it or something, it
> penalizes more than half the field. But expect action in ASB and none in
> DSB.
> >> Really kind of a disastrous time for this series, with reality sinking
> >> in in so many ways. This week we found out there won't be any AMA
> >> classes at Miller, which, while not a huge shock, is a pretty big deal.
> > I think that's a big mistake. I know the GP has the volume, but Miller
> > last year was (and Laguna years before) the top event on the calender.
> > If you were to go to only ONE race last year, IMHO, Miller was the place
> > to be. With Ben Spies in the series, Miller will be even bigger. And the
> > AMA won't be there. All we'll have is questions wondering WTF.
> Yes, it seems like DMG should be thinking of that round as a way to
> advertise their new series and not this ego-driven business about who
> has the bigger dick. I just hope it doesn't hurt attendance too much.
> >> Yosh Suzuki still seems to be dominating in SB, no matter how much DMG
> >> tried to nuke that class, and the big twin DSB thing was pretty much
> >> revealed for what it is yesterday. Again, that Soup poll is really a
> >> massive condemnation of this whole thing, and one wonders what Rog Ed
> >> might be thinking if he saw it. And today they're out there running in
> >> the rain at Fontana, something they've never had to do before - what
> >> might come of that?
> > Man, I hope nothing comes of that. I don't know what they're thinking
> > out there. I noticed (haven't checked recently) that Mat either didn't
> > run, or wasn't in the top 11 of the morning ASB warmup. I'm guessing he
> > didn't run.
> That's what I assumed, but haven't seen anything yet. I also note that
> Mat is now officially on probation, for missing the autograph session at
> Fontana. It's not going to go well, I predict...
> >> Still haven't decided on going to Sears, Miller won't include the AMA,
> >> and Laguna now may not be certain as well (and may not include ASB
> >> anyway, as Miller wasn't going to). I might make Indy again, but no
> >> AMA there, so I might just miss this whole mess this season. But I'll
> >> be back when the MIC series starts next year...
> > I think you should go to Sears for the same reason, you're right next
> > door, and you can blast out there even for one race and get back home
> > real quick. Little pricey, but it's a nice venue and I think Mat and
> > Tommy will put on a good show, just like the Yamahas and Hondas will.
> Probably will, it's worth it just to check out the current scene. But I
> really hate to be seen supporting this mess, to put money in the pockets
> of people doing so. And I do expect to see a smaller crowd, unless
> something very dramatic happens between now and then that compels people
> to show up.
> You know, like a tomato-throwing contest with Rog Ed as the target and
> the prize being a free trip for two to Miller or Indy to see some real
> racing...
>>
>> I certainly hope Tommy can stay up there, to make the racing more
>> interesting and for his good. Like to see him get his first win soon.
>
> Yea, I would like to think this is the case. To be honest, I want Mat to
> win this year just to rub their noses in the fiasco that was last year.
> But I think Tommy should be able to take some wins as well and come out
> to be the man to beat next year.